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bobdaley
01-23-2008, 06:43 AM
Recently two pictures have appeared on the net of an L100 flying in the US. It has a number on the tail not an N number and not a USAF number. 41901.
An airplane with this number was reported in a Hangar at Lockheed Greenville about 2 years ago.
There are about 5 Herks commonly called \"Mystery Herks\"
5032,5048,5055,5056, and 5057
Lockheed says they did not build 4 of them but, I think they lie.
Four are registered with the FAA 5032 N3755P supposedly flying with Prescott, 5048 M82178 was used by ALC, 5055 N8231G flying with Prescott, 5056 N8218J last seen flying for Mega Trade. All are registered to lawyers offices in Montana. 5057 has never been seen.5032 is the only one Lockheed admits building.

Anyone know which aircraft is 41901?
If the pictures do not attach, I\'ll try again.
Bob

bobdaley
01-23-2008, 07:15 AM
Trying again http://herkybirds.com/images/fbfiles/images/41901_2.jpg

bobdaley
01-23-2008, 07:16 AM
Second try http://herkybirds.com/images/fbfiles/images/41901_1.jpg

BobWoods
01-23-2008, 08:51 AM
Bob, Could they be Navy Tacamo birds? The paint scheme sure looks alot like one.

bobdaley
01-23-2008, 09:27 AM
Bob
No the Tacamo birds were modified C130E\'s and H\'s. These are L100-30\'s.
Bob

Herkeng130
01-23-2008, 09:48 AM
I am guessing that it is 5032 (ex N421M,N898QR,N3755P) Because she always seemed to carry the least markings.

just a guess

bobdaley
01-23-2008, 09:54 AM
5032 as N3755P for Prescott recently
http://herkybirds.com/images/fbfiles/images/5032H.jpg

bobdaley
01-23-2008, 09:57 AM
5048 as N82178 for Advanced Leasing Corp, not seen in awhile http://herkybirds.com/images/fbfiles/images/5048C.jpg

bobdaley
01-23-2008, 10:00 AM
5055 as N8213G for Prescott http://herkybirds.com/images/fbfiles/images/5055.jpg

bobdaley
01-23-2008, 10:02 AM
5056 as N8218J for Mega Trade not seen in awhile http://herkybirds.com/images/fbfiles/images/5056.jpg

Dan Wilson
01-23-2008, 10:30 AM
They wouldn\'t belong to the Air Force spook squadron out of Greenville would they?

Dan

tacairlift
01-23-2008, 12:12 PM
Here is picture of Greenville, none of them look like -30\'s

Guido

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=34.752403,-82.372259&spn=0.005324,0.007274&t=h&z=17&om=0

Jim Farrar
01-23-2008, 05:32 PM
Guido,thanks. I was stationed at Donaldson from late 60 to mid 63 when the 63rd wing moved to Hunter Ga. I was in the 53rd I Am going to search for the old squadron and the bars just off base. Good memories there. We were still flying the aluminum cloud (C-124)

Jim

jetcal1
01-24-2008, 03:48 AM
Jeez, I sure would be pissed if as a guest of the U.S. I got flown around in Europe in a C-130 instead of one those nice Gulfstreams that are also used. The seating is so much better.

BobWoods
01-24-2008, 11:26 AM
Hey Bob I find it interesting that is was photographed operating out of Bullhead City AZ, across the river from Laughlin.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1320241&size=L

bobdaley
01-24-2008, 12:07 PM
Me Too, Why there?
Bob

Crashmore
01-24-2008, 12:16 PM
Perhaps a new \"ContraAir\" from \"Ollie\'s Airlift, Inc.\"

HerkPFE
01-24-2008, 12:58 PM
Interesting reading.

http://www.statewatch.org/cia/documents/working-doc-no-8-nov-06.pdf

jetcal1
01-25-2008, 04:19 AM
I read the report, but I ddn\'t see Pierce Aviation Services mentioned at all.

Dan Wilson
01-25-2008, 10:03 AM
o TEPPER AVIATION
Tepper Aviation is a company controlled directly by the CIA.9 It operates
from the Bob Sikes Airport, Florida. The European base is Rhein-Main,
Germany (an U.S. Air Force /NATO military, closed on 30 December
2005). Tepper uses three aircraft belonging to the shell company Rapid
Trans: the Lockheed N2189M, the N4557C and N8183J (see below).

Ohhh those Europeans liberals are so smart, glad they told us this - we would have never guessed this one!! You know it would be nice if these \"human rights watch\" type would actually worry about some of the people killed by the skum that they are so worried about protecting.

Maybe we should start kidnapping and torturing them instead :)

Dan

Talon1LM
01-31-2008, 08:41 AM
If you look at the Donladson ramp. The plane second from the left in the row with four is a -30. You can see that it is longer.

Dan Wilson
01-31-2008, 11:28 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/FTFFTW/Herk/whoknows.jpg

DC10FE
02-01-2008, 02:48 AM
Yep, it\'s a -30, although I doubt that one of those spook Hercs would be parked out there amongst all the common-use C-130\'s. I\'m sure it heads straight for a hanger when it lands. The way some of them are parked, it looks as if it would take a bit of jockeying to get them out.
Don R.

Talon1LM
02-01-2008, 04:52 AM
Ok Now I know I\'m not seeing things. Is anyone else getting their pages cut off when a big picture is posted?

Casey
02-01-2008, 08:21 AM
You are not the only one. I have been searching for a solution but I haven\'t found a computer with the issue nor have I been able to duplicte it on my home pc. If anyone has a solution, please let me know.

Edit: I just made an adjustment in an attempt to fix the issue. I betting it has not....let me know..

TalonOneTF
02-01-2008, 09:29 AM
I asked about this earlier, and I just sent another question to Casey on this.

It only happens on threads where pictures are inserted...

Dan Wilson
02-01-2008, 01:19 PM
DC10FE wrote:

Yep, it\'s a -30, although I doubt that one of those spook Hercs would be parked out there amongst all the common-use C-130\'s. I\'m sure it heads straight for a hanger when it lands. The way some of them are parked, it looks as if it would take a bit of jockeying to get them out.
Don R.

If this is the Greenville guys ramp and those are their plane, they would be far from \"common use\".
Don\'t know what they do but I am pretty sure they don\'t do it in a uniform.

Dan

DC10FE
02-02-2008, 03:03 AM
Depending on when that photo was taken, I would imagine that most of the C-130\'s stored there at Greenville are the ex-RAF & ex-RAAF C-130\'s that were slated to go to the Polish & Pakistan AF\'s. That -30 is a mystery.

Can anyone tell me if the USAF uses the Greenville/Lockheed facility for any heavy maintenance?

Don R.

NIKV69
05-13-2008, 07:26 AM
Sorry for the bump guys but I am the photog that took the picture of this ghost at IFP being used in this thread (1397). In fact the photo that was used was taken from airliners.net and the copyright bar with my name removed. Here it is.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lockheed-Martin-L-100-30/1320241/L/


Now I don\'t mind anyone using my photos for fair use to be used as noteworthy pictures in articles and threads such as this but to remove my name and not to name the source of pics used is not very nice. We are all aviation enthusiasts and speak the same langauge. I never turn down requests to use my work or wouldn\'t even care if you used it without asking but the copyright should have remained. If you read the words on top of the pic on anet it clearly states the copyright and use guidelines.

Not to ge back on topic this ghost flew in with 4 blackhawks one afternoon in Bullhead and I was lucky enough to get back out in the morning to get her as she left early. The crew was very nice and my friend who runs the admin office at the airport spoke to them on the phone right before departure. They saw me getting into position to snap a few shots and were actually waving at me. It was pretty awesome considering who these people were.

Here is my thread from a local NY site about this ghost. It was recently at ISP which is 5 mins from my summer residence. I was not there but another local was who works there was and he got a couple of shots.

http://www.nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9990&start=0

One of the highlights of my winter in Nevada was getting this military mystery! Very good stuff indeed. Anybody here that knows anything more please add!

cobra935o
05-13-2008, 10:24 AM
I can see this guys concern with \"his\" picture, but you come on here and act nice like, and go bash on another site? I dont see any reason why Bob would lie about where he got the picture, if you put it out there it literally could have come in from anywhere as most of the pics on this or any other aircraft site in the world.

Nathan

bobdaley
05-14-2008, 04:07 AM
Hi All,
I can see his point. I don\'t want to take credit for any of the pictures on the site. I did put a disclaimer in the Gallery Section that says I did not take any of the pictures, truth be told I did take one of them, but these pictures have mostly been sent to me by others.
Matter of fact I received 3 DVD\'s with over 80,000 pictures a few months ago. I have worked on those DVD\'s trying to pick out pictures for the gallery section almost every day since I got them. There is really no way I can tell who took the pictures unless it is attached to the pictures as some pictures in the Gallery are.
Anyone who took a picture and would like to have credit for it can add a comment to the pictures.
Sorry if someone is offended but I don\'t really see another way pictures can be posted.
Thanks
Bob
Seriously if anyone wants credit for a picture please add a comment.

NIKV69
05-14-2008, 04:33 AM
can see this guys concern with \"his\" picture, but you come on here and act nice like, and go bash on another site? I dont see any reason why Bob would lie about where he got the picture, if you put it out there it literally could have come in from anywhere as most of the pics on this or any other aircraft site in the world

Fact remains that it is the responsibility of the person posting the pics to name sources. Claiming ingorance is great but I could just easily demanded the pic taken down immediately or credit given. Someone along the lines took the time to take my work, open it in PS and chop my name off. This is BS. As for \"coming from anywhere\" Truth be told the majority of them are coming from airliners.net. I am not saying Bob stole anything but it is this laid back attitude about posting pics without knowing or putting any effort into finding out where they came from. Copyright laws are clear cut and very easy to understand and are stated clearly on the site where the pics are stolen. A little more thought should go into right clicking and saving something you find on the net. That is all I am saying.


Matter of fact I received 3 DVD\'s with over 80,000 pictures a few months ago

Scary..

SEFEGeorge
05-14-2008, 07:45 AM
Best I can say is that if you\'ve got such a burr up your butt about the pic and the credit then maybe we should just get rid of it.

Bob, maybe in the biggest, boldest letters you can maybe you ought to put this guys name on the pic.

Alot of us have posted \"Our\" pics on this site or the C-130 HQ site. But I don\'t ever recall anyone crying about not getting credit for any of the pics.

Roy
05-14-2008, 07:57 AM
I\'m with George. Just take the picture down. Then this guy can quit with the complaining.

Muff Millen
05-14-2008, 01:26 PM
wtf...get a life just another wanna be pissing up a rope.
Just how the hell can a photo of a C-130 taken in a public place be copy righted? Who gave permission to take the picture.
OBTW where is the credit for the SW plane beside your post.
Muff

NIKV69
05-15-2008, 02:58 AM
A lot of us have posted \"Our\" pics on this site or the C-130 HQ site. But I don\'t ever recall anyone crying about not getting credit for any of the pics.

You answered your own question. Alot of US posted OUR pics on this site. Little different than going to another site and taking a pic of someone elses and posting wouldn\'t you say?


Then this guy can quit with the complaining.

Not complaining just merely pointing out the obvious. If this is something that you don\'t agree with fine. Yet the facts speak for themselves.


Just how the hell can a photo of a C-130 taken in a public place be copy righted

See, it is this attitude and lack or respect of copyright laws that renders conversations on this topic useless. I suggest you do a little research about photography and copyright law and how it works. Then we can discuss the matter. I took the pic, it\'s mine.


Who gave permission to take the picture

None was needed, what is funny is that my friend in the admin office was on the phone with the crew shortly before takeoff and told them and they said fine. Also I do a lot of work for IFP and have thier permission to be on the property. If you are ever there check behind the ticket counters. You will see more of my work in big size. With the copyright bar still included on the bottom.




OBTW where is the credit for the SW plane beside your post.


My lord... http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/905683/worfffs.gif

I took that shot too buddy, I can do whatever I want, it\'s mine.

http://www.airspaceonline.com/photos/cpg1414/displayimage.php?pid=228&fullsize=1

Sonny
05-15-2008, 03:41 AM
Gee, does that mean if I took a picture of your picture I could use it anyway I wanted?

bobdaley
05-15-2008, 04:53 AM
I know nothing about photography law but what I am trying to figure out is if someone sends a picture that is not identified as to who took it, it can\'t be posted?
How can you find out if it is copyrighted or not and is their a listing somewhere of what is copyrighted and what is not?
Do we have to shut down the Photo Galleries if the pictures are not identified?
Is a dislaimer that we did not take the picture and having a comments section for each picture where someone who wants credit can claim it enough?

I know Casey and I want no hassles or trouble over pictures.
I am way too old for that stuff.
It would only take a second to delete all the pictures but it would be sad.
Bob

NIKV69
05-15-2008, 07:45 AM
Gee, does that mean if I took a picture of your picture I could use it anyway I wanted?

Your question reeks of sarcasim but in case it was an honest question no you are still reproducing copyrighted material and you would need my permission.


I know nothing about photography law but what I am trying to figure out is if someone sends a picture that is not identified as to who took it, it can\'t be posted?


Once a picture is taken from someone without persmission no, even though a third party is not made aware of it.


How can you find out if it is copyrighted or not and is their a listing somewhere of what is copyrighted and what is not?


If it is a pic on the internet it will have the photogs name on it. As we have seen some participate in the practice of removing this info. There is no place to find a listing other than the sites the pictures are hosted on if you know what site it is.


Is a dislaimer that we did not take the picture and having a comments section for each picture where someone who wants credit can claim it enough?



It is a step in the right direction though if you get a photog that demands it taken down you have to comply.



I know Casey and I want no hassles or trouble over pictures.
I am way too old for that stuff.
It would only take a second to delete all the pictures but it would be sad.


Don\'t think it will come to that. Just a little more effort on trying to find and name sources would be enough. Most av-photogs would just love an email asking permission to use the photo and they will comply.

SEFEGeorge
05-15-2008, 08:10 AM
This really is getting old with this guy. Is his name \"Loren\" by any chance? Guys just take the guy\'s pic down and then we can get over the pissing and moaning.

Seems he only joined the board to bitch about HIS pic. He\'s sure not a Herc guy. If he is I\'d be really surprised. Herc people seem to have a lot more common sense that this guy does.

As far as credit for pics, if someone claims that a pic is theirs and wants credit then add their name. With the internet, there is no way to find out just whose pic is whose, and whose ego is going to get bruised by not giving credit for any particular pic.

As far as credit goes, the pic on my profile is of me on the ground at Cherry Point, taken by my load using my camera during a trip from LRF to Cherry Point to pick up some marines and take them to PR. Now then who gets the credit for the pic? Me, the load, the camera maker, USAF, 314 TAW, USMC, Lockheed, Goodyear (it\'s their tire in the pic), and on and on..... :blink:

US Herk
05-15-2008, 08:35 AM
I took all of the pics on the internet & I demand anyone claiming otherwise prove they took the pic. Only then will I give them credit. I want all pics to immediately be edited to add my screen name on them for proper credit.

The two problems with digital photography are the whole sharing/fair use concept and the fact it is virtually impossible to prove when a digital image is taken - it\'s not like you have the original negatives of the film. For free/fair usage, if you didn\'t intend to share it, why is it on the internet in the first place - credited or not?

Digital images & the internet have severely muddied copyright law - particularly with respect to \"fair use\" rules. The generally accepted \"fair use\" rules are that if it\'s in the public domain, you can use it if you\'re not making money from it. Now, there are many reams of legalese surrounding all of this, and many interpretations, but that\'s what\'s being enforced by the courts.

Bob & Casey - you guys could successfully fight this guy if you wanted to, but it would be a huge legal hassle with lawyers and money. It simply isn\'t worth it. But to be honest, if you\'re not earning money on his image, most copyright lawyers won\'t even take it on - nothing in it for them.

For the future, you can add a simple disclaimer to the gallery along the lines of:

\"All images copyright of original photographer. No commercial use allowed without written permission of original copyright owner. Any copyright owners who wish explicit credit may contact webmaster.\"

NIKV69
05-15-2008, 09:45 AM
This really is getting old with this guy. Is his name \"Loren\" by any chance? Guys just take the guy\'s pic down and then we can get over the pissing and moaning.


If you are referring to me no my name is Nick. I think I made it perfectly clear that you did not have to take my picture down and in no way am I pissing and moaning.


Seems he only joined the board to bitch about HIS pic. He\'s sure not a Herc guy. If he is I\'d be really surprised. Herc people seem to have a lot more common sense that this guy does.

Wrong again. Though I may not be a \"Herc\" guy in your book I enjoy the C130 quite a bit and went through quite a lot to get that shot under those conditions.


it\'s not like you have the original negatives of the film

Oh my, sir if you are going to blurt out stuff please have some sources to back it up. I took the pic, I have the NEF file, (orig) and the jpeg version has my name on it. Trust me it\'s mine.


if you didn\'t intend to share it, why is it on the internet in the first place - credited or not?


I did intend to share it, which is why I uploaded it to the biggest aviation site in the world with my name on it. Have you read any of this thread?


Digital images & the internet have severely muddied copyright law - particularly with respect to \"fair use\" rules. The generally accepted \"fair use\" rules are that if it\'s in the public domain, you can use it if you\'re not making money from it. Now, there are many reams of legalese surrounding all of this, and many interpretations, but that\'s what\'s being enforced by the courts

This is true but you should still seek permission from the photographer. I did not in any way say I was going to seek anything for the use of the pic and I granted this site permission to use it.


Bob & Casey - you guys could successfully fight this guy if you wanted to, but it would be a huge legal hassle with lawyers and money. It simply isn\'t worth it. But to be honest, if you\'re not earning money on his image, most copyright lawyers won\'t even take it on - nothing in it for them

Again I don\'t know why you are overreacting, I didn\'t say I was going to enter into a legal hassle with this site. I could have done any number of things to be an *sshole about this but as a fellow aviation enthusiast I granted permission.

Skip Davenport
05-15-2008, 09:52 AM
Bob -- Casey just a thought.

If photographs displayed on this cite have not identified you as the copyrighted photographer email your documentation to ______ and we will gladly recognize you as the photographer.

Let\'s keep the photos!

TalonOneTF
05-15-2008, 10:05 AM
With all due credit, the photo in question is a real sharp image--good job in getting that shot, Nik.

Somehow the picture that showed up here on HerkyBirds.com did not have the copyright block; maybe a mistake, but I don\'t believe anyone here intended that the picture would be used commercially. I do believe this is a non-profit website.

Perhaps the photo that was pasted should be replaced with a copy of the original (including the copyright block), then we would all be happy, right?

bobdaley
05-15-2008, 11:01 AM
OK
I think we have beat this horse to death.
Nick had a good point and we can learn from it.
We will put a discaimer on the page saying that the pictures belong to their photographer. Thank him for their use. Let him know that he can add his name to the comments section for credit if he wants.
Any pictures that come in that have the photographers name on it, we will post them with the name on.
Bob
BTW As far as I know, no one has made a cent off these pictures, especially not Casey and me.

NIKV69
05-15-2008, 02:17 PM
With all due credit, the photo in question is a real sharp image--good job in getting that shot, Nik.


Thanks! I have wintered in IFP for 8 years and have been chasing the certain 130s that come in there for a long time. I am so glad it turned out to be such a ghost and the morning light couldn\'t be better not to mention I had to sprint to get in position. All in all one of the best mornings spotting.


Somehow the picture that showed up here on HerkyBirds.com did not have the copyright block; maybe a mistake, but I don\'t believe anyone here intended that the picture would be used commercially. I do believe this is a non-profit website

Well as Bob stated he acquired the photo from someone who probably chopped off the copright bar, happens a lot I am afraid. In no way did I accuse anyone here of stealing it, just merley asked they are a bit careful with images they get.


OK
I think we have beat this horse to death.
Nick had a good point and we can learn from it.
We will put a discaimer on the page saying that the pictures belong to their photographer. Thank him for their use. Let him know that he can add his name to the comments section for credit if he wants.
Any pictures that come in that have the photographers name on it, we will post them with the name on.
Bob
BTW As far as I know, no one has made a cent off these pictures, especially not Casey and me.

I appreciate your efforts in this matter. As I said we are all spotters and enthusiasts. I am working on some pics I took of the Raiders from Miramar that freqent IFP now will post them here as soon as I can.

Casey
05-15-2008, 07:13 PM
I have replaced the image.

NIKV69
05-16-2008, 07:55 AM
Thanks! Much appreciated.

Hey just remembered I have this one shot of one of the Raiders. Working on another I took that has the black tail.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/905683/c130ifp.jpg

bobdaley
05-17-2008, 12:58 AM
Hi all,
It sounds like this could be a bigger problem than we thought if someone decides to cause trouble.
I am going to ask Casey to shut down the part of the Gallery that I sent him.
I can\'t afford a legal hassle.
Ssorry
Bob

mongo
05-18-2008, 05:39 AM
I think that would be a HUGE mistake Bob. as mentioned in some previous post here,
some kind of disclaimer should be good enough to keep people happy. and if its available
go ahead and put someones name to it. Nicholas A Vollard wants credit where credit is due.
Thats just swell, Maybe he should put someones name to the little star trek clip he attached?
Demand of others only what you would demand of yourself. I think I heard that somewhere...

John Hedrick

NIKV69
05-18-2008, 01:42 PM
as mentioned in some previous post here,
some kind of disclaimer should be good enough to keep people happy. and if its available
go ahead and put someones name to it

Hard to say, even if you are claiming fair use permission should be sought in addition to the copyright info not being removed. Most people are not going to demand anything of you monetary wise or such but credit and source has to be named.


Maybe he should put someones name to the little star trek clip he attached

apples and oranges


It sounds like this could be a bigger problem than we thought if someone decides to cause trouble

I doubt it, your overstating the fact. The worst you encounter is some immature photog that hoots and hollers and demands u take his pic down.

US Herk
05-18-2008, 03:37 PM
NIKV69 wrote:

I doubt it, your overstating the fact. The worst you encounter is some immature photog that hoots and hollers and demands u take his pic down.

????

Roy
05-18-2008, 03:50 PM
US Herk,

My sentiments exactly.

SEFEGeorge
05-19-2008, 08:13 AM
Jeeeez, enough of this B.S. If some Alpha Hotel wants to bitch about his/her pic then delete the SOB and cancel the persons membership here. We\'ve all gotten pics through emails, etc., and if the pic doesn\'t having \"property of\" on it, no one is ever going to research it to find out who took the pic before we pass it on to someone else. This is a site dedicated to the Herc. We\'re just here to share experiences, technical know-how, and pictures we\'ve accumulated over the years. And if your ego can\'t stand having a pic on this site with out seeing your name on it, then my vote is delete the frigging pic, and you take advantage of one of the U.S.\'s biggest freedoms, the right to choose, and choose to leave this site.

This way out ----->

stoney
05-19-2008, 03:14 PM
AMEN, George. Enough is enough!!!!!!!

Stoney

NIKV69
05-19-2008, 07:02 PM
If some Alpha Hotel wants to bitch about his/her pic then delete the SOB and cancel the persons membership

So let me get this straight, someone raises the point a picture was used without his permission and brings to light how the concept of copyright works, in addition doesn\'t demand the pic removed but simply that credit is given and he is to be just thrown off the site because as far as you are concerned it\'s too much work to give credit to copyrighted material? I have to tell you that sounds so American. You should be ashamed of yourself that you brought up this country\'s freedom and said something like that. Just because this site is dedicated to a certain airframe doesn\'t mean your above anything. You should keep that in mind.

Casey
05-19-2008, 10:11 PM
All,

Having many of my 3d models removed from games and spread across the net and having many of my renders used without my permission gives me insight into Nicholas\' frustration. The image is his and was posted without his permission. He has every right to ask that credit be given or that the image be removed.

I replaced the image with one displaying his copyright. The situation has been handled and we must let it go. Arguing further will only serve to discredit all involved and this site.

As for the future of the gallery, I will post a \"disclaimer\" offering to add credits to photos or remove them from the gallery upon request. It has been my experience that when it pertains to non commercial use most artists ask for nothing more than the credit they deserve for their work (free advertising for them.) If I am wrong, I will deal with it when the time comes.

--Casey

BarrieSobczak
05-20-2008, 05:12 AM
Way to go Casey, I think this horse has been rode long enough!

SEFEGeorge
05-20-2008, 07:54 AM

Casey
05-20-2008, 09:29 AM
Again, please let it go.

Herkeng130
05-22-2008, 06:06 PM
Casey wrote:

All,

Having many of my 3d models removed from games and spread across the net and having many of my renders used without my permission gives me insight into Nicholas\' frustration. The image is his and was posted without his permission. He has every right to ask that credit be given or that the image be removed.

I replaced the image with one displaying his copyright. The situation has been handled and we must let it go. Arguing further will only serve to discredit all involved and this site.

As for the future of the gallery, I will post a \"disclaimer\" offering to add credits to photos or remove them from the gallery upon request. It has been my experience that when it pertains to non commercial use most artists ask for nothing more than the credit they deserve for their work (free advertising for them.) If I am wrong, I will deal with it when the time comes.

--CaseyAs a photographer myself... I think this is the best solution.

I fully understand his frustration and I believe he has been a great sport about the whole thing.

Enough is enough.

herkeng
05-27-2008, 05:13 AM
To post on topic, the paint jobs on the birds look very similar to the Southern Air paint jobs of a few years back.

Bob
I sent you a palet full of pictures when I was still at the Bureau, as stated in the email I did not track who took \'em. Those photos mostly came from combat camera and some from the net. All photos were of Guard aircraft and I would not post them with out the disclaimer you and Casey talked about earlier.

Chip

bbuech
06-11-2008, 03:08 AM
According to Lars Olausson production list 41901 is Lockheed Ship Serial 5032

Casey
11-27-2011, 11:40 PM
Ran across this earlier today and thought I would share the link.

http://lazygranch.com/41901.htm

SamMcGowan
12-01-2011, 02:33 PM
Hi All,
I can see his point. I don\'t want to take credit for any of the pictures on the site. I did put a disclaimer in the Gallery Section that says I did not take any of the pictures, truth be told I did take one of them, but these pictures have mostly been sent to me by others.
Matter of fact I received 3 DVD\'s with over 80,000 pictures a few months ago. I have worked on those DVD\'s trying to pick out pictures for the gallery section almost every day since I got them. There is really no way I can tell who took the pictures unless it is attached to the pictures as some pictures in the Gallery are.
Anyone who took a picture and would like to have credit for it can add a comment to the pictures.
Sorry if someone is offended but I don\'t really see another way pictures can be posted.
Thanks
Bob
Seriously if anyone wants credit for a picture please add a comment. The photographer "owns" any photograph they take, and should be properly credited anytime it is published. The same with written material. To not credit it, is a violation of copyright laws. Unfortunately, people have been playing fast and loose with photographs and other materials on the Internet. The exception is "public domain," which includes photographs and material taken and/or published by government sources. The best rule is that if you don't know where it came from, don't post it.