Herkeng130 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 What units and how many aircraft were modified with AWADS? I know Pope and Ramstein had them. Any list of tail numbers? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wysongj Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I know the 179th AW Mansfield OH had them on all planes. 90-1791 thru 90-1798. We use to make fun of them and add a "G" to the front of it. Ah, those were the days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Here is the list of aircraft that were modified from the APQ122V(1) to the APQ-175. 63-7885, 64-0495, 64-0496, 64-0498, 64-0499, 64-0501, 64-0502, 64-0517, 64-0525, 64-0527, 64-0529, 64-0531, 64-0537, 64-0539, 64-0540, 64-0550, 64-7681, 64-8240, 68-0934, 68-0935, 68-0937, 68-0938, 68-0939, 68-0940, 68-0941, 68-0942, 68-0943, 68-0947, 69-6566, 69-6582, 69-6583, 70-1259, 70-1260, 70-1261, 70-1262, 70-1263, 70-1264, 70-1265, 70-1266, 70-1267, 70-1268, 70-1269, 70-1270, 70-1271, 70-1272, 70-1273, 70-1274, 70-1275, 70-1276. There were 50 kits built 0501 crashed in a lake, 1992 There was another crash at Bragg during a drop, I don't recall tail #, not on this list. 1269 was a designated SOLL II bird, would have cost too much to bring back as AWADS Since there were 3 kits left, A/C 64-0504, 64-0570, 69-6580 were converted to AWADS birds, at quite a pretty penny. These aircraft were the original Adverse Weather Aerial Delivery System platforms. There were some newer APN241 LPCR birds designated as AWADS capable. I never saw the LPCR Map function, but I know the APQ122 Ka was pretty good, and the APQ175 Ka was even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davis Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 ACFT. #68-10945 crashed at bragg. july 1 1987. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalbasher Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Anyone happen to know where Tony Holmes is now...he was the FE on 945 that crashed at Bragg...one of the two that survived. Last I saw him, he was the club master at arms at Yokota in 94-95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wysongj Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I might be thinking about the wrong thing. I thought AWADS was the countermeasure that was attached to the air deflector doors. Mmmmmm Now I am questioning my earlier response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 When I was at Pope, there was talk of putting them on back there, but it never happened. It was some sort of DIRCM, I believe, the same as some of the helichoppers use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaprad Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I know what system your talking about, it's on H3's and J-birds I beleive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llecrupwt Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The countermeasures on the air deflector doors was called SNOWSTORM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loadsmith Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 here's a pic of the sensor in question I believe http://herkybirds.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=4221&c=76 AWADS was/is the Adverse Weather Aerial Delivery System. Easiest way to tell an old AWADS bird was the nipple on the radome that sprayed the anti-ice chemical whose name escapes me. Most of these planes were already grounded by the time I got to Pope in 05 so my knowledge is not too extensive. Hope the pic helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herkpilot Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 All H3's and planes with the 241 radar are considered AWADS capable, it's the crews that have to be AWADS qualed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 That nipple and the T.A.S probe on an E model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Not all the airplanes with the glycol anti-ice spray nipples were AWADS. The anti-ice capability was primarily there for the Ka-band portion of the APQ-122 radar. AWADS airplanes had the APQ-122(v)1 multimode radar system. Talon 1s have a different radar version, the APQ-122(v)8, but were not designated as AWADS. The Talon 1s have the anti-ice system on both the Fulton and the non-Fulton nose radomes. The Talons have no SKE system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The countermeasures on the air deflector doors was called SNOWSTORM. That's a dumbass name, but I do remember that from somewhere. To me, a "snowstorm" would be RF jamming, but not for IR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herkeng130 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 AWADS was/is the Adverse Weather Aerial Delivery System. Easiest way to tell an old AWADS bird was the nipple on the radome that sprayed the anti-ice chemical whose name escapes me. This is what i was thinking of. I was not aware that later C-130s (H3s and so on) were also AWADS Thanks for the help. What units had the old system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Only Pope and Rhein-Main/Ramstein had them. I worked the system when it was just a few years old, and it was a piece of $hit already. This was especially true with the antenna and the pilot scope-sweep generator. Actually, the nav scope sucked too. Maybe I'm being too kind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Tiny, Your critique of the original displays is pretty much on the button. Those systems that were upgraded to replace the scopes and sweep generators with the digital scan converter faired much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airnav Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Anyone happen to know where Tony Holmes is now...he was the FE on 945 that crashed at Bragg...one of the two that survived. Last I saw him, he was the club master at arms at Yokota in 94-95 He started some sort of a fish farm (rasing/storage/supply) around '97 to '99, then dropped out of sight & sound. Let me know if you find out anything else. Some other friends have been asking about him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Tiny, Your critique of the original displays is pretty much on the button. Those systems that were upgraded to replace the scopes and sweep generators with the digital scan converter faired much better. That said, the APN59 scope and power supply blows too. We're still using a frikkin' mechanical rotating yoke display in the 21st century???? That would have been money well spent, putting a converter and CRT video screens on the APN59. I think they did it on the KC135. The original H models were modified from APN59 to APQ122V(5), just X-band, and they paid to put the APN59 back on those. Edited March 31, 2009 by tinyclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryRobinson Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Tiny, Did you ever get the s*** knocked out of you trying to adjust the centering on one of the IP-268 scopes. I did, three times in a row setting at Cam Rahn Bay. I was cpvered with sweat and told the shop chief I quit for the day my hands were shaking so bad. Gary Robinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyChief Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Snowstorm was the ALE-40 install on the Slick C-130s, where the flares were up in fillet panel area above MLG. These were later upgraded to ALE-47. The system that you see on some air deflector doors, usually ANG or AFRC C-130s, is the -157 IR jammer system. It's an older system that is rapidly being phased out by one of the AAQ-24 systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTII Raven Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 here's a pic of the sensor in question I believe http://herkybirds.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=4221&c=76 AWADS was/is the Adverse Weather Aerial Delivery System. Easiest way to tell an old AWADS bird was the nipple on the radome that sprayed the anti-ice chemical whose name escapes me. Most of these planes were already grounded by the time I got to Pope in 05 so my knowledge is not too extensive. Hope the pic helps. (old) ALQ-157 IR Jammer (Loral) Snowstorm was an a different mod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Tiny, Did you ever get the s*** knocked out of you trying to adjust the centering on one of the IP-268 scopes. I did, three times in a row setting at Cam Rahn Bay. I was cpvered with sweat and told the shop chief I quit for the day my hands were shaking so bad. Gary Robinson Many a times, even with F4 tape on the other end of the scribe. That deflection voltage was a sumbitch. I've been nailed with worse tho. I'm surprised I'm still alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmat Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 4 AWADS C-130Es were sent to U-Tapao RTAFB from the 317th TAW at Pope in 73. Crews from Pope, and then Little Rock, both rotated crews to fly missions in Thailand and Cambodia until 1974. PB tail code painted out and replaced with a playboy bunny when crews from Little Rock replaced the original Pope crews. Sns were 70-1270, 1271, 1272, and 1274. Best wishes, Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davis Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 gmat your right. I remember those pope acft. were at u taphao in 73. I have a picture of those some place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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