herkeng Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Folks, I have a question. With the changes going on in the training arena IE- Nashville goes into the forign training business, Dobbins gets out of the training business and Little Rock expands some more, do you think the AF brass took a full look at what this will do to the training thru put of crews? Hear me out before you get stuck on the first paragraph. How long will it take to get the simulators from Dobbins moved to the Rock? How will Nashville do their new mission without a Sim? How long will it take to get contracting to build a simulator facility at Nashville and expand the the facilities at the Rock? What down time in the training community will the 130 community be looking at during this transition? By down time, I mean how much of the requirements in the PFT will met as the AF shuffles this stuff. As soon as Dobbins steps down, the Guard, Reserve and Active H-Model units will be hosed on the slots the need to train their newbee\'s. Little Rock is limited to a set number of slots per crew position, if the Rock absorbs the Dobbins quotas, will there not be a need for Lockheed, CAE and AMC to rehash the contracts,(that will NOT be a quick process, unless Uncle is willing to pony up lots of $$$)and expand the facilities to absorb the gained training. Cost will be a driving factor in this deal. You can leave the simulators at Dobbins and use them for continuation training but that leave you with a shortfall of sim slots at the Rock. That shortfall is driven by the requirements by the users, AF, AFRC, ANG, Coasties, Marines and the Forign militaries. Granted the forigners will go to Nashville, but as stated earlier, Nashville will need to build a facility to house a level 3 sim. There are many different dominoes in this deal and they will all need to fall perfectly for the customers, you guys, not to get shortchanged. Personally, I see another train wreck in the training world coming at you guys. You\'ll be waiting along time for slots and will be hitting the MAJCOMS for secondary methods, that is if you even have the flying hours to support it. I wish Tom and the guys at AMC good luck on this. They are good people up there and will put the fields interests first but, they are limited by budget, time & Air Staff like everyone else. Herkeng (RETIRED) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C130H2FE Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 One answer to your questions, Dobbins sims were there before the school house and will be there after its gone, they have an H2 and H3 sim, and will be used for refresher training for Res but I\'m sure they will try to get the ANG to go to the H2 sim again. My 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkeng Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 Well, that answers what will happen to the sims. I just don\'t see how the Rock can absorb all of this and meet the requirements of users without more sims and cadre. You got Pope,Mcchord & MSP to help with continuation but where the heck is Nashville gonna dig up a sim? If Dobbins keeps their 3 and Pope,Mcchord and MSP keep theirs....:S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Yep, they sure planned the BRAC really well didn\'t they? Thanks Bush Sr. and the idiots in charge of the AF (Mostly that weasel bush sr. and McDork). Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZHill Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 The Sims at Simiflight in Tampa were great that could work out. RZ Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT II Raven Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 vs rewinging the H1s and got caught. The BRAC half-arsed the compromise and here we are. Now the ANG/AFRC are moving birds around post BRAC and we just go further into the hole. The bottom line is a lack of planning. AMC plans Big MAC to the nth degree and places scant attention to Little MAC until they are bit in the arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbob Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 The last I heard LR was going to 6 Sims not counting the \"J\". I think the McChord sim is moving and possibly the Pope sim but unsure. They have room for them in the new building. This is old info though. I haven\'t chatted with those guys in many months now. I am unsure about the other stuff you asked. It\'s possible now in this new smorgasborg of items a sim or two might now be heading for Nashville but that\'s just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 I dont really see any sims moving, it costs too many millions to move them. Its cheaper per year to pay per diem as that would total much lest per fiscal year than a one time cost of a single sim move would. That leave so much more money they can give the fighter guys. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herkeng130 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Anyone know when the switchout should e complete? I drove by Nashville yesterday and they had one WC-130 on the ramp and the others were their old birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesWatkins Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 I notice the WC has been there for a little while. I also noticed that the Flags are not flying anymore at the HQ. I think the switch is taking place now and continuing on through the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C130H2FE Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 About the sim problem, AMC is going to buy 4 more sims, this should help with training. The Pope sim is now getting modified to AMP right now and will be going somewhere (LRAFB). Nashville should get an E sim from somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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