pdesanctis Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Looking for good information on the rear MLS Antenna. We are trying to order one and are being told that the antenna is discontinued without replacement....any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nc97 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 No suggestion, but one question...Whatcha doing in River Falls, Wisconsin working on 130s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdesanctis Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 Work at the 934th AW in Minneapolis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bischoffm Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) Is this it? I am not a pointy head but this is out of TCTO 1375 PN AS-4124/ARN-152(V) SN 5985013686459 Lots in AF supply Or PN 100-601273-000 SN 5985013314923 Again plenty in supply Edited November 16, 2010 by bischoffm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) It's actually the second part that Mike Bischoff has down there. They jacked up the part number in the -4, Fig 22, Ind 260. What's a few misplaced dashes and a missing 0? Waste of money though, and I am not making this up, but the rear antenna is never used, as it is for Back Az only. The only Airport in the US that has back az for MLS is in Atlantic City. The mobile MLS stations are not back az capable. This fact makes it all the more funny that they built a radome to protect the antenna. Many of the antennas had to be reordered because of the late 90's "radome design fiasco", since they were misplaced when removed due to breaking off. So I'm thinking it probably cost half a million dollars or so to fix something that is of no use. There is one on base in Minn/St.Paul FB6231, warehouse location 01A013B047A, and they're only $3800. Edited November 16, 2010 by tinyclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPTestFE Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Waste of money though, and I am not making this up, but the rear antenna is never used, as it is for Back Az only. The only Airport in the US that has back az for MLS is in Atlantic City. The mobile MLS stations are not back az capable. This fact makes it all the more funny that they built a radome to protect the antenna. Many of the antennas had to be reordered because of the late 90's "radome design fiasco", since they were misplaced when removed due to breaking off. So I'm thinking it probably cost half a million dollars or so to fix something that is of no use. There is one on base in Minn/St.Paul FB6231, warehouse location 01A013B047A, and they're only $3800. I'd have to agree, MLS is a redundant system now that GPS has become the almighty king! MLS is useless weight that should have been removed a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I thought they were using the mobile MLS units in the desert. I dunno... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdesanctis Posted November 17, 2010 Author Share Posted November 17, 2010 Thanks, yes the part number is 100-601273-000. Fedlog has it as discontinued though. We are probably the only base that keeps the system FMC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bischoffm Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 So are you saying they will not let you order it?? If not tell them to look in ES-S and ask them why you can't requistion it!! If you do order a couple of them. Why are you guys still using them. Also the bone yard (AMARG) probably has lots of them to!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 (edited) TERMINAL ITEM # (NON-STOCKED ITEMS) FUTURE PROCUREMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED. NO WHOLESALE STOCK IS AVAILABLE FOR ISSUE. 1. REQUISITIONS WILL NOT BE PROCESSED TO THE WHOLESALE MANAGER. 2. INTERNAL SERVICE/AGENCY REQUISITIONING MAY BE CONTINUED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SERVICE/AGENCY REQUISITIONING POLICIES. It can still be ordered, as assets are available, one being at MN-StPaul. See note 2 and point it out to your "supply CUSTOMER SERVICE" people. The system is FMC without the antenna, unless you are doing touch and goes at the FAA test facility in Atlantic City. I tried to raise the BS flag on this when they talked about makimg a radome cover for it, but no one wanted to listen. Then I got into Sadism, Necrophilia and Beastiality, but soon realized I was just beating a dead horse. Edited November 18, 2010 by tinyclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polcat Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 I've never flown an MLS approach outside the sim (during initial qual in '06) nor am I aware of any in the desert. All fields that are IFR capable had ILS, VOR, or Tacan approach. Most guys probably don't even know how to program SNCS to fly a MLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) Great. Then what should happen is that every C-130 in the inventory should go up to Atlantic City for 3-4 days for total system testing. This will be at least once a year, and consist of two flight crews (in case of DNIF issues), 2 crew chiefs, and a Comm/Nav specialist. I mean, if we're going to piss money away, let's not do a half-assed job, let's GIT 'ER DONE!! Maybe I can get a trip in before I retire next month... Edited November 19, 2010 by tinyclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 The system is FMC without the antenna, unless you are doing touch and goes at the FAA test facility in Atlantic City. FAA Shut down the last two MLS stations in 2008. MLS is a European thing like PILS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 FAA Shut down the last two MLS stations in 2008. MLS is a European thing like PILS Dammit, there goes a nice TDY to hit the tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaprad Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Dammit, there goes a nice TDY to hit the tables. Maybe you can talk them into ops checking the ones in Europe. Better beer anyways ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KF4DVG Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 "......I was just beating a dead horse." Tiny- Or were you beating maggots off of a dead horse? Sounds as though the supply folks were in the mindset of "the computer says......" I guess common sense doesn't prevail in all situations. Happy Thanksgiving to you! Cheers Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve haigler Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Tiny, How do you like retirement? It took me about 6 mos. to put the chalks in. Merry Christmas Steve H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Still have through next week Steve, although with the holidays, I'm winding down quickly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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