SOF To Convert One C-27J To Gunship Lite

[Herkeng130]

SOF To Convert One C-27J To Gunship Lite

Jul 25, 2008

Amy Butler

The Pentagon is planning this fiscal year to buy one C-27 for quick modification as a prototype gunship to augment U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command’s (AFSOC) existing AC-130 fleet.

A $1.8 billion reprogramming request from the Pentagon for FY ’08 includes a set aside for $32 million for the purchase of a single C-27, which would be modified to include “proven/known†weapons, sensors and other tactical systems for what AFSOC is calling an AC-XX Gunship Lite prototype. “This prototype will serve as a risk mitigation effort to field a new platform to operate in austere locations, with increased operational flexibility and a smaller support tail of manpower and logistics,†the reprogramming request states, noting the effort is a new start.

The U.S. Army and Air Force are already on contract to buy the first C-27Js for use as light cargo transports. The aircraft are being built by an L-3/Alenia North America team, with Boeing continuing negotiations to help stand up a U.S.-based final assembly plant in Florida.

Another $11.5 million is requested to execute an AC-XX feasibility study and engineering analyses associated with the so-called Gunship Lite. Further funding for the procurement of the aircraft is likely to be in the FY ’10 budget, which is now being crafted at the Pentagon.

In congressional testimony earlier this year, the Special Operations Command’s (SOCOM) chief said SOCOM was trying to roll out a small fleet of gunship-oriented C-27Js but was struggling under competing Air Force budget pressures, as well as the need to pursue necessary funds via an unfunded priority list to Congress that is not part of the regular appropriations process. He told senators that it would be an “exaggeration†to say SOCOM and the Air Force were equally eager to fund the small gunship variant, but the armed service supported the combatant command’s effort nevertheless (Aerospace DAILY, March 10). SOCOM, which has limited acquisition authority of its own, listed $30 million for a “gunship lite prototype†as a high priority in its annual unfunded procurement wish list this year.

Meanwhile, AFSOC has also dashed its plans to field a 30mm weapon on the AC-130U gunship. Command officials had hoped to replace the AC-130’s 40mm and 25mm weapons with a common 30mm system. But it fell short in testing. “Flight-testing revealed that it is operationally unsuitable due to unsatisfactory gunfire accuracy,†the reprogramming says.

Legacy systems

AFSOC is adding the 40mm and 25mm weapons back to the four AC-130Us delivered with the 30mm gun configuration. The omnibus includes a request to shift funding from the 30mm program back into the legacy systems.

Also for AFSOC, the Pentagon requests $7.5 million be transferred from an account for the MC-130W weapon system trainer to one that will purchase a U-28A trainer. AFSOC has begun to purchase the modified Pilatus PC-12 fixed wing aircraft for use in low-profile intratheater lift missions.

A separate line-item in the omnibus reprogramming also calls for $23.9 million to be dedicated toward the purchase of six PC-12s for use as communications relay systems for the Air Force. The mission is now being handled by C-130s and EA-6B Prowlers, which are badly needed to conduct other missions. This is also a new start program.

[US Herk]

Vision without funding is called hallucination.

That aside, I think AFSOC is violating virtually every SOF Truth with this rapid expansion. The blurb about losing the W sim in favor of a PC12 sim is telling - and typical.

\"Flavor of the day\" is the game at AFSOC lately.

They say, \'Flexibilty is the key to Airpower\' - what they don\'t tell you is that, \'Indecision is the key to flexibility\'

All in all, I believe we need this niche gunship, but the traditional acquisition process makes it virtually impossible. If AFSOC is truly to grow as large as it is, a case should be made to make SOCOM a seperate service instead of just a Unified Command. This would free up funding, should streamline acquisitions (somewhat), and provide the oversight necessary.

I\'ve also said we need MC-27J - have said that for 10+ years - something between Casa and Herk in terms of size & payload. AFSOC won\'t ask for MC-27J because it will jeopardize MC-130J...seriously, that\'s why they don\'t pursue it despite it making more sense.

[Guest cobra935o]

This also sounds like the one step forward, three steps backwards deal. Norty may need to hurry up and get confirmed.

We also had a pefectly good sqd full of communications relay airplanes, 7 of them infact, with full manning etc. etc. It was called the 42nd ACCS, now all of a sudden its an issue again to get an airborne comm platform, just seems like one big circle of waste. It probably cost more to shut that sqd down, and re-program those planes for other uses, then it would have been to keep it open, the personnel trained, and there in place for when it was needed. The Army was screaming to keep it, and was willing to help with funding at one point!

[Herkeng130]

So, I take it that the GBU-44/B Viper Stike on a gunship is dead too?

[US Herk]

cobra935o wrote:

We also had a pefectly good sqd full of communications relay airplanes, 7 of them infact, with full manning etc. etc. It was called the 42nd ACCS, now all of a sudden its an issue again to get an airborne comm platform, just seems like one big circle of waste. It probably cost more to shut that sqd down, and re-program those planes for other uses, then it would have been to keep it open, the personnel trained, and there in place for when it was needed. The Army was screaming to keep it, and was willing to help with funding at one point!

Not to mention JCSE & Jackpot as well as others...