crediblesport Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Hello, Can anyone tell me anything about the following programs: Rivet Duke Rivet Kit and Rivet Acorn. Without revealing anything still classified. Are these just slicks with elint gear etc. or variations of Pacer Coin Comfy Levi etc. Thanks Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrkaegi Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 A special purpose c-130e program........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 The airplanes were not slicks, they were modified with special systems. When the Berlin Wall came down, they basically lost their mission. They were then de-modified/re-modified to do similar missions in a different geographical theatre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crediblesport Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thank You for the answers, I am only asking this a a model builder. I intend to build a 1/72 scale model of every Special Mission C-130. I knew about a number of Programs when I worked at LAS Onatrio, but these were the only programs I could not find anything written about or special external features to build a model of the Birds. So were there any external modification? or did they appear as Slicks and all of the wizo stuff was on the inside? Like small antennas etc. I know someone screwed up a skin panel on one of these birds and I remembering hearing something about hanging some kind of gear out of the Paratroop Doors or Cargo Ramp either Cameras or collection gear. Something like Senior Scout or comfy Levi. Thanks Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Tim, You are confusing Rivet Duke/Kit with Senior Scout. Duke/Kit intentionally looked like a slick from the outside when not in an inflight operational scenario. Scout accepted the large container in the cargo compartment, and had antennas and more on the MLG and paratroop doors. John P.S. Many good years at LAS..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navi-gator Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 From the outside they looked liked slicks. There were subtle differences that were hard to identify. The most obvious was the SATCOM antenna before any of the slicks had one. The wings were a little different, but it wasn't obvious. I worked the program at Det 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wombat Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 You can check most programs on; www.designation-systems.net That site might help you as it lists all the project and operations codes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffysan Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 They were the acft assigned to the Berlin For Lunch Bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 They were the acft assigned to the Berlin For Lunch Bunch. "Eat Ice Cream or Die" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hush Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 Dan - You are correct: Eat Ice Cream or Die! Attached is the official logo for The Berlin For Lunch Bunch group: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyeRick Posted July 16, 2009 Share Posted July 16, 2009 I've been to AMARG and have seen the three of them in various stages of disassembly/rot. 19's wings have been removed & their contents were piled on the cargo floor. Kind of sad. Hello all ex-Det 4 members! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hush Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Thanks - We worked pretty extensively with Bob Daly trying to track down the aircraft. We knew 1819's wings were removed a number of years ago - the Det 4 guys said the cost of the removal was a lot more then they originally thought because of all of the wave guides running through the leading edge along with other "unique" items (we also have been working with Bill Grimes (former Big Safari/CC)on trying to document the declassified history of the squadrons from a Big Safari perspective - he attends our reunions). As best as we can tell all three aircraft were shredded in 2004 or so, and we believe all the special enclosures within the cargo compartment were also disassembled and destroyed (what a shame). At some point, perhaps next year, we will have the history of the mission, to include the 7499th available. Much, probably 80%, has been declassified - we are working with one of our former intel officers, who is on the Air Staff, to ensure we understand which pieces have been declassified. Hush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJam Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I remember the first time I met Mr Grimes...holy crap he scared the hell out of me. That man had command presence. One of our Nav's used his coffee cup when he wasn't there. Well one day he pops up and wants a cup of coffee...that sent me running to the bathroom on the other side of the building to clean the damn thing up and pour a fresh cup. Happy Grimes...happy life...Simple math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 I never got to fly with them, but I sure as hell repaired comm/nav problems on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lownslow Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Det 4 still lives. It's called the 661 Aeronautical Systems Squadron (AESS not ASS) now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJam Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Det 4 still lives. It's called the 661 Aeronautical Systems Squadron (AESS not ASS) now. Only as a shadow of its former glory days at Ontario and P42. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Z Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 We just finished another Berlin for Lunch Bunch reunion.. There are books out there that describe the mission in some detail.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) Det#4 was Blind Bat during my tour. Edited September 28, 2021 by Sonny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unusal_designer Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Old thread but I designed a lot of the equipment that flew on those "trash haulers" at DET4 at Ontario airport.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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