adrian65 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I notice from a couple of recent photos taken on the production line that in addition to the serial number painted on the nose, there is what i assume to be a contract or batch number. Can anybody enlarge on the details or previous batch number ranges etc? s/n 5633/5634 73J01/73J02 The first 2 of the AFSOC HC-130j order s/n 5619/5620 44J43/44J44 are these frame 43/44 of the USMC KC-130J order? Adrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 (edited) The second number after the production number is the Lockheed model designation. All the different J variants have their own designator, i.e. 72J= KC-130J, 73J= HC/MC, 44J= USAF C-130J-30. The number after the J is the number of that series aircraft; 73J01 being the first HC-130J, 44J43 being the 43rd USAF C-130J-30. I have the complete variant list on my desk, but I am TDY this week and those are the ones I know off the top of my head. 5619 and 5620 are not tankers, they are USAF C-130J-30's. Edited April 22, 2010 by sck166 add more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 44J = USAF C-130J-30 47J = Canada CC-130J 50J = India 72J = USMC KC-130J 73J = USAF HC/MC-130J If anyone has the numbers for RAF, AMI, RDAF, RNoAF, or RAAF please add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 RNoAF is 46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 44J = USAF C-130J-30 47J = Canada CC-130J 50J = India 72J = USMC KC-130J 73J = USAF HC/MC-130J If anyone has the numbers for RAF, AMI, RDAF, RNoAF, or RAAF please add. Jansen, Here they are: RAF = 49F AMI = 31J RDAF = 36J RNoAF = 46J RAAF = 03J Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 Is that for the C.4 or C.5 Herks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Jansen, C.4 (-30) = 05J C.5 = 06J Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 (edited) Major update thanks to info from LM, current as of 22 Feb 11: Lockheed Martin Version Numbers 48F = C-130J prototypes 49F = RAF C-130J prototypes 01J = RAF C-130J production prototypes 02J = Prototype EC-130J 03J = RAAF 04J = Prototype WC-130J 05J = RAF C.4 (-30) 06J = RAF C.5 07J = Early WC-130J 08J = Early USAF C-130J 09J = Early EC-130J 11J = Early KC-130J 12J = WC-130J 13J = Early AMI C-130J 16J = USAF C-130J 17J = Early EC-130J 30J = Early USAF C-130J-30 31J = AMI C-130J 32J = EC-130J 33J = Early KC-130J 34J = AMI -30 35J = USCG HC-130J 36J = RDAF 37J = Early USAF C-130J-30 38J = Early KC-130J 44J = USAF C-130J-30 45J = Single RDAF C-130J-30 46J = RNoAF 47J = Canada CC-130J 50J = India 51J = Qatar 52J = Iraq 53J = Royal Flight of Oman 54J = UAE 55J = Tunisia 56J = Israel C-130J-30 57J = South Korea 72J = USMC KC-130J 73J = USAF HC/MC-130J 75J = Kuwait KC-130J 85J = Royal Air Force of Oman 86J = Second batch USCG HC-130J Edited February 25, 2011 by Jansen Major update thanks to info from LM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Jansen, You can add Qatar to your list as 61J Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Thanks, didn't think I would see the Qatar birds until February. It's a good thing there're lots of numbers left as we'll have Kuwait, ROK, UAE, Iraq, and Oman coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGRetired Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Late comer! USCG batch was 13J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Thanks, added. I have 31J for AMI, but don't know if that is for the -30 or the short bird. Also looking for the code for the short USAF herks. Are there different codes for the WC and EC variants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 According to Lars' book, 35J is assigned to the USCG. The WC's are confusing. The first 3 are 04J, then the next 4 are 07J and the last 3 are 12J. Don't know what the differences are. The EC's of the 193SOS are 32J, although the have some C-130J's as 17J. The short USAF Hercs are at Maryland ANG's 135th AS. They are 08J and 16J. The AMI's -30's are 34J. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 As the Lochheed Martin usage is "version number", I will try to use this term more. Has anyone seen this version number anywhere after painting? Does it appear on any official documents post delivery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 As the Lochheed Martin usage is "version number", I will try to use this term more. Has anyone seen this version number anywhere after painting? Does it appear on any official documents post delivery? I'm confused again -- nothing new there, though. I have the model specification book from Lockheed that came with the delivery of PJ-TAC (5225) to Frameair. As you can see on the first page, it's listed as a 382G-44K-30. In Lars' book, it's listed as a 382G-70C. The other one that was built for Frameair, but never delivered was a 382G-71C. It was bought by the Canadian Forces and converted from a L-100 to a C-130H-30. At the bottom of the introduction page of this book is an explanation of the production model designation. It says that the 44K designates the powerplant identification. I'm beginning to think that the 382G-44K-30 is a different number than the 392G-70C. Any comments? Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 It seems there might be two things going on here. I think the format that appears in Lars' books may be a frame number, similar to the new version numbers. 382G (civilian) -70C (Frame 70?) 382G (civilian) -44K (powerplant) -30 (stretched) makes sense as a model number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 It seems there might be two things going on here. I think the format that appears in Lars' books may be a frame number, similar to the new version numbers. 382G (civilian) -70C (Frame 70?) 382G (civilian) -44K (powerplant) -30 (stretched) makes sense as a model number. Jansen, I would agree with your explanation except for the fact that all the Hercs in Lars' book, whether it's a C-130 or an L-100, are listed as a model number 382; i.e., when I randomly pick an airframe from his book, the L-100-30 (5056) flown by Prescott is listed as a 382G-68C whille all of Taiwan's C-130H's (5058 thru 5067) are listed as 382C-69E. Of course, the A-models are listed as "182's" and the B's as "282's." Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Jansen, I would agree with your explanation except for the fact that all the Hercs in Lars' book, whether it's a C-130 or an L-100, are listed as a model number 382; i.e., when I randomly pick an airframe from his book, the L-100-30 (5056) flown by Prescott is listed as a 382G-68C whille all of Taiwan's C-130H's (5058 thru 5067) are listed as 382C-69E. Of course, the A-models are listed as "182's" and the B's as "282's." Don R. The 382C is one model, not sure myself don't have the book with the complete breakdown, but a guess would say short "H" The 382G is another, as Jansen pointed out the Civilian model, and quite possibly a -30, with the -20 being another letter designation 382F ??? The 382U is the short "J", for example The 382V is the Stretched "J" for example. The question is why on the the spec sheet the OP has states the aircraft model number is 382G-44K-30 and Lar's book has the same aircraft listed as 382G-70C. What is the 70C?? and or for that matter -68C?? -69E?? as listed by the two aircraft you posted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The question is why on the the spec sheet the OP has states the aircraft model number is 382G-44K-30 and Lar's book has the same aircraft listed as 382G-70C. What is the 70C?? and or for that matter -68C?? -69E?? as listed by the two aircraft you posted... OK, a friend of mine at Lockheed straightened me out. I was comparing the proverbial apples and oranges. The "382G-44K-30" is the Lockheed model number. The "382G-70C" is the version number. Actually, the "C" suffix in the version number designates the H-model and "T" is the H-30. As for the commercial versions, the "B" suffix is an L-100, "E" is the L-100-20 and "G" is the L-100-30. Another mystery solved! As for Jansen's original question, I don't know if the version number appears on any documents after delivery. I do know it's not printed in the model specification book for 5225. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 The model number should appear on the aircraft nameplate. It would probably be in the 382U-72J format, but I am wondering if the 72J01 format appears anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Jansen, Check your PM. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Apparently some of the information I received was incorrect. I have a new document from LM I received a couple of days ago that corrects it all. It seems to be definitive, as it contains all of the LM model version numbers for all C-130s delivered. This is the link to the earlier post which I have now updated: http://herkybirds.com/showthread.php?1865-Contract-Batch-Numbers&p=17694#post17694 There are a total of 42 version numbers for the C-130J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 OK, a friend of mine at Lockheed straightened me out. I was comparing the proverbial apples and oranges. The "382G-44K-30" is the Lockheed model number. The "382G-70C" is the version number. Actually, the "C" suffix in the version number designates the H-model and "T" is the H-30. As for the commercial versions, the "B" suffix is an L-100, "E" is the L-100-20 and "G" is the L-100-30. Another mystery solved! As for Jansen's original question, I don't know if the version number appears on any documents after delivery. I do know it's not printed in the model specification book for 5225. Don R. Thanks for the info.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taytay Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 44J = USAF C-130J-30 47J = Canada CC-130J 50J = India 72J = USMC KC-130J 73J = USAF HC/MC-130J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Dog Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 They have 77J on the line now. Anybody know what that is? Inc 3 73Js? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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