Dutch Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Dutch, I will post it in the humor forum; it off the web if you go to google image and search crew chief air force." Thanks OEO, I got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bischoffm Posted August 7, 2010 Share Posted August 7, 2010 Sure wasn't on our 88's and we had the antenna It's there because of those 6 bladed funny shaped spining things:D in front of the engine causes ice build up more than in the past with the four bladed spining things:D!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkyTestTech Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 HF antenna or not, there is a pneumatic de-icing boot at the base of the vertical on the outside surface of the black patch. Result of ice shape testing during FAA certification. Here is a good picture of the de-icing boot its the lighter black area in the black patch above the HF antenna. [ATTACH]1281[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herkpilot Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/Lockheed-Martin-C-130H/1695494/L/ Couldn't figure out how to post a picture but if you look you can see the "de-icing boot" in the same place on the H as it is on the J. And I'm positive there is no boot on the H. Do we have any J-model guys on here who can put this issue to rest and get back to the HC-130J discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yawdamper Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/Lockheed-Martin-C-130H/1695494/L/ Couldn't figure out how to post a picture but if you look you can see the "de-icing boot" in the same place on the H as it is on the J. And I'm positive there is no boot on the H. Do we have any J-model guys on here who can put this issue to rest and get back to the HC-130J discussion? The inflatable de-ice boot is on the C-130J models only. You will not find them on legacy aircraft. Ice shapes were glued to the leading edges of the horizontal and after flight testing it was determined that ice build up on the lower part of the vertical (not protected by bleed air anti icing) was not acceptable for FAA certification. Hence the birth of a pneumatic boot at the base of the vertical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herkpilot Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 Yawdamper Thanks for the clarification! I honestly didn't know that about the J. All-- Any new pics of the HC/MC-J? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yawdamper Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Picture from Airliners showing J de-ice boot with Legacy in the background Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I was under the impression Lockheed was not building any more 'short' 130s; am I mistaken, or is the HC-J based on a short herk? As stated the HC/MC-130J's are short birds. Also the KC-13Js are short, Oman just bought two short planes as well. The standard trashhauling Air Farce 130 I believe will only be the -30's, As these can fly, higher, faster, further, and with obviously more cargo than a short legacy 130, and without the need of external tanks, which are not on USAF J-30's either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 First USAF flight was yesterday, we should be flying again Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkuest Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) As stated the HC/MC-130J's are short birds. Also the KC-13Js are short, Oman just bought two short planes as well. The standard trashhauling Air Farce 130 I believe will only be the -30's, As these can fly, higher, faster, further, and with obviously more cargo than a short legacy 130, and without the need of external tanks, which are not on USAF J-30's either. This is kind of confusing to me because the standard sized C-130J can fly higher, faster, farther, and with heavier cargo than the -30's. I guess it's the way you typed it that made me scratch my head, but you did say "legacy", so I guess that only covers E's and H's. We do have some standard sized C-130J trash haulers though. They started going exclusively C-130J-30 after the 99 model year I believe, because we usually run out of cargo room before we run out of cargo weight capacity on shortys. It's economics that the civilians have already figured out. I also believe the C-130J can be quickly modified with external tanks though. Just ask the Italians, and the Keesler guys, and the 193rd guys, and now the MC-130J guys. Edited August 21, 2010 by Lkuest Fix an inaccuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Yes, All "J" models can carry tanks... The USAF -30's don't have them going out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 It's economics that the civilians have already figured out. Why else would they modify all their ex-military C-130's into stretches? Lkuest, I'm a little confused. I don't think the civilians modified any ex-military C-130's into -30's. I agree with your point, though. The commercial market figured out many, many years ago that adding pallet space was the way to go. It's just $$$$. I'll never figure out the reasoning why the USAF, beginning with the FY 74 H-models, didn't order them as -30's. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkuest Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 You'll have to forgive me. I was fumbling through the Production list a couple of years ago and came to a realization, and a couple of years later I forgot exactly what I had found. Apparently, it's all the L-100's still flying, with a couple of exceptions, were modified to -30's from the base L-100's and L-100-20's. I totally dropped the ball on that one, and I stand corrected. I also edited my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyChief Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Lkuest, I'm a little confused. I don't think the civilians modified any ex-military C-130's into -30's. I agree with your point, though. The commercial market figured out many, many years ago that adding pallet space was the way to go. It's just $$$$. I'll never figure out the reasoning why the USAF, beginning with the FY 74 H-models, didn't order them as -30's. Don R. Hopefully some Herk operator will confirm this..but I was under the impression that the -30's are limited in some tactical events. As to why the MCJ, HCJ and KCJ are stubbies?...One of the main points are that the refuel pod hose only goes out so far...too much R&D to develop new refuel pods and hoses for -30J...There are other reasons as well. Edited August 22, 2010 by HeyChief spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmodel Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 It is a de-icing boot found only on the J model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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