DC10FE Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I can't find the old C-17 Elmendorf crash thread, so I'll start a new one. Here's an unofficial report on the cause of the crash. There's a video at the end of the article that looks eerily familiar to the B-52 crash years ago at Fairchild. Click here: C-17 crash blamed on errors shared by all: Military | adn.com Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 "Although the pilot eventually attempted to recover the aircraft Who in their right mind would ignore a stall warning outside of an FCF?????? I am shocked by the use of the word "eventually" I mean like "WOW" Thats right up there with blowing off a fire warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEFEGeorge Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Sort of reminds me of an overly aggressive want to be fighter jock forgetting he's flying a lot bigger bird than an F-15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OEO Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Here a link to the public release report. http://www.pacaf.af.mil/library/aibreports/index.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieLifeSupport Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Just guessing. A FE on-board may have prevented this tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEFEGeorge Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Bet a dollar to a do-nut that he would have been beating the driver with whatever was handy. No matter what the O's say, a FE, in the end, is the "adult" on the flight deck. Sort of reminds me of the show "It Only Hurts When I Laugh." The FE is the guy holding the camera, saying "are you sure", and the O's are the guys that say "sure, watch this." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmitch Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Does make you wonder I rember a time when the plane started to shudder just prior to the horn going off a loadmaster named winters was screming air speed air speed in to his headset from the back. got everybodys att. thank god!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry myers Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Just guessing. A FE on-board may have prevented this tragedy. Perhaps, but am reminded of the Dover C-5 crash. Here two highly qualified, high time SNCO FEs, watched as a heavy weight C-5 was flown below the glide path on final, the AC advanced the number two engine throttle (eng. shutdown), #3 throttle retarded and the airspeed bled off the about 125 knots at impact and they did almost nothing. In the Elmendorf crash wasn't there was a third pilot? Was he loudly expressing concern about how the acft. was being flow? Why is it that practicing for air shows crews think it's OK to fly the acft. out of the envelope? Watching the video reminds me of the Fairchild B-52 crash, surprise, during an air show. Don't think all this has to do with FEs, think it has to do with crew members doing their job when another crew member does something not iaw the book. Having said the above, am reminded of a FE friend (no kidding, I did have one or two) who told me a big part of his job was to ensure the AC didn't kill him and the rest of the crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Airshows and Airshow practice are really crew killers Fairchild B-52 Elmendorf C-17 Pope Herk Lapes I am sure there are many many more, I will say in AFSOC they were really really restrictive on what you could and couldn't do for an Airshow or practice for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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