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Just wanted to let everyone know that we took another E model to the boneyard yesterday. 7786 flew in great and we landed A-1 (wouldn't you know it). We only have about 4 left here at Little Rock. (1289, 2358, 1792, and 9815 I believe).

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I saw no sign of 7786 at Moody in Lars' book.

1289 went to AMARG in December.

I had 62-1806, 62-1851, and 63-7831 still at Little Rock too? Did they already go to AMARG?

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Bob

Bob,

We have 3 tails left here at Little Rock (counted them today and actually broke on 72-1289 today). The 3 we have left are: 61-2358, 62-1792, and 72-1289. 1792 and 1289 are due to retire this month and last I heard was 2358 may be on its way back to Edwards (latest rumor). 62-1806 was damaged in the tornado that hit the base last year and was retired prematurely (sits on Alpha row, as a GITA I guess). Hope this helps. You're right though about 7831 and 1851 they are at AMARG. I saw 7831 sitting there in the dirt with a bunch of other tails that caught my eye. Pretty sad sight seeing all of those old tails sitting in the desert of AZ. Have a good one Bob and let me know if you need anything else.

Dave

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Wouldn't it be fitting that the last E model sent to the boneyard would be the 1st one built? I hope someone at the decision-making level is way ahead of me on that.

We were talking about that on the way down to DM. It sounds like it will be the last E to leave LR. I also bet that it will have some senior flyers taking it to its final destination. It will definitely be a big moment for this base.

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Bob,

Just wanted to update and let you know that 63-9815 was a donor bird here at Little Rock. It now sits on Alpha row with 1806, 7852, 1829, and I think it was 7819. Also, there was a Swedish AF C-130, serial # 858, sitting on Alpha as well (thought this was interesting). Anyway, 9815 gave its wings to 74-1680 (I believe that's the tail?) which was damaged in the tornado last year. The word I got was that 9815 was going to be a fuselage trainer here. Have a good one Bob!

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MC-130P's and HC-130N/P's are also E models

E model is what regard? E models all have -7s whereas the MC-130Ps and HCs have -15s. Sure they all shared the same assembly line but I wouldn't think they would be E models in any designation or referenced as such in any publication of any sort.

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E model is what regard? E models all have -7s whereas the MC-130Ps and HCs have -15s. Sure they all shared the same assembly line but I wouldn't think they would be E models in any designation or referenced as such in any publication of any sort.

Exactly, those aircraft were never designated "C-130E". You could almost make the case for the C-130H (Super E) since they have almost every system the same except the engines, if we want to go down that road. The Super E shares the same -1, just not -1-1.

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I think that you can only wrap your hands around this by just accepting what they are designated..not what sort of motor they have (Eventually AFSOC C-130E's had -15s) or what airframe they were based on. MCPs and HCs are MCPs and HCs for fleet management purposed..if you went down the road of what airframes they were based on..ACHs and MCEs would be lumped in with C-130Es. Keep it simple

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As I understand it:

64-14852 LPN 4036 was the USAF first HC-130H and first H model. The major change from the C-130E being -15 engines. They also had "STARS" noses.

NZ7001 LPN 4052 (RNZAF) was the first C-130H (slick). E-model with -15 engines.

65-0988 LPN 4143 was the first USAF HC-130P. An HC-130H with refueling pods.

69-5819 LPN 4363 was the first USAF HC-130N. An HC-130P with a standard nose.

73-1580 LPN 4542 was the first first USAF C-130 (slick later modded to EC-130H). There were 10 more "73" model C-130Hs purchased by the USAF (often referred to as "Super E's). 7 were modded to EC-130H, three are still flying.

74-1658 LPN 4579 was the USAF's first of what is commonly referred to as a C-130H 1. A big visual difference being the larger air conditioning packs and APUs.

In my opinion there is no debate that the HCPs, HCNs, and EC-130Hs are H models, just as the three 1973 model C-130Hs (Super E slicks) are H models.

As for the ACHs, they were E models when constructed and were later upgraded with -15s. In my opinion, they are closer to the early Hs than an E but they are E models. MCEs were not designate Hs when they received -15s. Like the ACHs they are, in my opinion, closer to the early Hs than an E but they are E models.

Someone re vector me if I am off course here.

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As I understand it:

64-14852 LPN 4036 was the USAF first HC-130H and first H model. The major change from the C-130E being -15 engines. They also had "STARS" noses.

NZ7001 LPN 4052 (RNZAF) was the first C-130H (slick). E-model with -15 engines.

65-0988 LPN 4143 was the first USAF HC-130P. An HC-130H with refueling pods.

69-5819 LPN 4363 was the first USAF HC-130N. An HC-130P with a standard nose.

73-1580 LPN 4542 was the first first USAF C-130 (slick later modded to EC-130H). There were 10 more "73" model C-130Hs purchased by the USAF (often referred to as "Super E's). 7 were modded to EC-130H, three are still flying.

74-1658 LPN 4579 was the USAF's first of what is commonly referred to as a C-130H 1. A big visual difference being the larger air conditioning packs and APUs.

In my opinion there is no debate that the HCPs, HCNs, and EC-130Hs are H models, just as the three 1973 model C-130Hs (Super E slicks) are H models.

As for the ACHs, they were E models when constructed and were later upgraded with -15s. In my opinion, they are closer to the early Hs than an E but they are E models. MCEs were not designate Hs when they received -15s. Like the ACHs they are, in my opinion, closer to the early Hs than an E but they are E models.

Someone re vector me if I am off course here.

Don't disagree with anything written here. The only thing I was saying a few back was that to my knowledge (my own little world here in Arky) that there are only two E-Models left in active duty, and yes with -7 engines (72-1289 and 61-2358). I know we could make a case for the rest of the designators, but I won't. I do have one question though. What tails are the AFSOC communities using for trash haulers (i.e. Mildenhall had 64-14859 and I think 63-7814 for a bit)? I know 4859 went to DM and last I heard it was being overhauled for EC work again, but what about 7814? I remember it was fitted with -15's during my time at Moldyhole. Also, we do have one of the "Super E's" here now (73-1582). I heard the other day that we are getting all three, but they may be gone by August of this year (boneyard gone)?? Who knows, this C-130 landscape is changing rapidly!

Dave

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