rami Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 recently we received 3 aircraft c-130E ,we are flying the H model .i know there is a different but i want to ask if there is a start limit for starter like the H one and the bleed air limit during start (below 22 bleed press stop start). we look at the manual we didn't found the starter and the bleed press limitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramrod Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 recently we received 3 aircraft c-130E ,we are flying the H model .i know there is a different but i want to ask if there is a start limit for starter like the H one and the bleed air limit during start (below 22 bleed press stop start). we look at the manual we didn't found the starter and the bleed press limitation. If memory serves me correctly, started limit for E's is 1 min on, 1 min off, 1 min on, 1 min off, 1 min on, 5 min off, 1 min on, 30 min off. It is in the engine run manual 1C-130E-2-71JG-00-1 (here again guessing) in the preface pages. For the E I do not believe I ever saw a bleed air minimum limit on start for the E's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdaley Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Rami Which three E models did you get? thanks Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EClark Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Ramrod has it right as I remember starters are easy to blow up. Be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1685FCC Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 If memory serves me correctly, started limit for E's is 1 min on, 1 min off, 1 min on, 1 min off, 1 min on, 5 min off, 1 min on, 30 min off. It is in the engine run manual 1C-130E-2-71JG-00-1 (here again guessing) in the preface pages. For the E I do not believe I ever saw a bleed air minimum limit on start for the E's. The starter limits are the same as an H. As for minimum start PSI. If the GTC was not putting out a minimum of 35 psi (same as APU) then MX action was required prior to flight. These limitations are all out of the E(H)-1. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkuest Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 If memory serves me correctly, started limit for E's is 1 min on, 1 min off, 1 min on, 1 min off, 1 min on, 5 min off, 1 min on, 30 min off. It is in the engine run manual 1C-130E-2-71JG-00-1 (here again guessing) in the preface pages. For the E I do not believe I ever saw a bleed air minimum limit on start for the E's. Just like the H, it's 1 on, 1 off; 1 on, 5 off, 1 on 30 off. the E's use the 1C-130H series job guides as well. There is a minimum PSI during start, but I cannot recall it off the top of my head. It's not in the engine run job guide for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramrod Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Just like the H, it's 1 on, 1 off; 1 on, 5 off, 1 on 30 off. the E's use the 1C-130H series job guides as well. There is a minimum PSI during start, but I cannot recall it off the top of my head. It's not in the engine run job guide for some reason. This is right out of the current C-130H job guide. The starter limits are the same as for the E models. You need to find a copy of the 1C-130E(H)-2-71JG-00-1 TO 1C-130H-2-71JG-00-1 2-1-4. (Continued) (MC-130H airplanes) Before placing the CAUTION AC bus tie switch to ON, ensure that all operating engines are in low-speed or that no engine-driven generators are supplying power. Ensure that the AC bus tie switch is placed to OFF before bringing any engine to normal ground idle or placing any engine-driven generator switch to ON. Do not exceed the starter duty cycle of 1 CAUTION minute on, 1 minute off, 1 minute on, 5 minutes off, 1 minute on, 30 minutes off. Any engagement of the starter is considered as 1 minute on. For restart, TIT must be below 200oC. For CAUTION restart using fuel enrichment, TIT must be below 100oC. Mech Item Status A,B,C 1. Engine (applicable No.) clear CLEAR A,B,C 2. Start engine (applicable No.) as STARTING follows: a. Engine bleed air switch OVRD OR OPEN b. Engine condition lever (if RUN motoring engine, place condition lever as required) c. ENGINE GROUND START/ START/TURN ENG START button/switch ING (call start sequence) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 we have the following c-130 E 62-1799/62-1792/62-1859 Rami Which three E models did you get? thanks Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1685FCC Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 we have the following c-130 E 62-1799/62-1792/62-1859 2 out of those 3 were on our last E-model deployment in Iraq. 1799 got me in a little bit of hot water with a nose wheel shimmy, but that's another story. How are they flying for you all over there? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry myers Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Holy cow.....a limit that hasn't changed in 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I dont know Larry, it seems to me there was something added to the start limits about twenty years ago (20 years - holy damn!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMPTestFE Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Yeah, before my time, but you had the old buttons that had solenoids holding them engaged....had to pull them out if they didn't pop out on their own by.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarrett Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Used to be 1 on, 1 off, 1 on, 1 off, 1 on, 30 off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWoods Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 One of the biggest mistakes I made was not insisting on a maintanance check when after engine start the light in the #3 starter button flashed, the pilot played with it and it went out and we continued on. A few minutes after takeoff the starter came apart, every warning light for that engine came on, it lost power and we were heavy. It even put holes in the fuselage and number four engine nacelle. We were on our way to Mildenhall from Goose Bay. We ended up dumping fuel and getting two new engines and props. We made a recovery on 3 engines and a smooth touch down. But had we of had it checked out maybe those engine and prop changes would not have been necessary. The light in the button was telling us that the start valve opening, not good!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry myers Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I dont know Larry, it seems to me there was something added to the start limits about twenty years ago (20 years - holy damn!!!) Dan, You could very well be right. Twenty years ago I had been out five years. As I've said before, sometimes can't remember what I have for lunch. Btw, how are you doing on your house? Good to hear the starter button hold in feature has been eliminated. I learned early on that a starter not operating iaw the manual needed to be, in most cases, replaced. To do otherwise was courting disaster. I witnessed the results of the MAC inroute support sqd.at Incerlik attempting to adjust the centrifical switches on a malfunctioning # three engine starter. On ops. ck. it blew up and sent schrapnel through both sides of the cargo compartment, with at least one piece puncturing the nose of the left ext. tank. The aircraft looked as though it had be hosed down with a 50 cal. Took depot repair to get it back in the air. After that when my acft. had a starter malfunction I insisted on by the book maintenance. Bob's post above confirms my position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herky130fe Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Just wanted to make a comment on paint job on the plane. It is something else. Did you get flight crews including fe's with the planes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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