AJGr33n Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I was sent the following pictures through FB with the following caption: U.S. Soldiers with the 731st Explosive Ordnance Disposal Company, attached to Task Force Vanguard, place explosives on the wings of an unserviceable C-130 Hercules aircraft in order to remove the wings and move the aircraft off the airfield at Forward Operating Base Shank, Logar province, Afghanistan, July 9, 2013. [u.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. Elvis Umanzor] I was wondering if anybody knew what happen? Said way to end an aircraft's time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV22FE Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I guess that's easier than taking them off the right way. I guess since the aircraft is considered a total write off, they stripped it of serviceable equipment and that was the easiest way to get rid of the aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre623 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 WOW that's one of them there new fangled JAY models....now that is expensive!!! Bill :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerfManJ Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Any more details on this mishap, or is it still being classified as a "hard landing"? The RAF did the same thing with a Mk 4 (C-130J-30) in Iraq in 2007...with a much larger explosion. http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flight-international/2008/09/video-how-to-destroy-your-down.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf70 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Again if they would have had a FE this probably would not have happened... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herkpilot Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Again if they would have had a FE this probably would not have happened... Debatable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Very debatable. Even though I was a Herc FE (military &commercial) for many years, I think the J-model, even with the 2-man cockpit is an already proven airframe. As I mentioned in another thread, a lot of airplanes have been lost unnecessarily even with an FE & nav on board. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railrunner130 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I'd think it has to do with both crew experience and crew compliment. A strong AC can somewhat compensate for a weak Nav and vice versa. It's not always 100% true, but certainly part of the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry myers Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Whenever this crew makeup discussion surfaces I think of the Dover C-5M accident where the crew consisting of the squadron commander, a stan. eval. pilot and two hi time snco flight engineers flew the acft. into the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loadsmith Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Again if they would have had a FE this probably would not have happened... I heard (not officially) that these guys were trying to get into the airfield to AirEvac out a critically injured soldier. They made a few approaches (due to some nasty weather/winds) and the one they finally got down on ended in the Class A you see in the pics. The whole "a Eng would have prevented this" was beat to death on Facebook and the numerous Class As involving the E/H where a similar event unfolded were pointed out. I have a lot of love for the 1A1s but the J model does not and will never require an Engineer. These guys in Afghanistan tried their best to get that injured service member the needed help and I hope that will be factored in to any administrative punishment that may result once the AIB/SIB investigation is complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf70 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 You would have been hearing "Go Around" for sure if they had an FE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeyglenn Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 I my memory serves me correctly, there was an E-model that landed straight down the runway at Makung Island by Taiwan. That one had a full cockpit crew. I remember calling the FE, Gearup Roy, He got kinda upset with me. when he was called that, but!!!!!!!!!! Rg glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkuest Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I'd be interested to see some mishap statistics between the "J" and the legacy aircraft. I feel like that's the only "apples to apples" comparison that can be made since the C-130J was designed to not need an FE. It makes sense that more eyes are better, but there's been only 1 hull-loss of a US Air Force C-130J since they entered operational service, vs how many hull-losses for the E/H in the same time period? It still doesn't mean anything though unless you factor in mishaps/flight hours. For all we know, the J's might have been overdue for a mishap, and are fortunate everyone was able to walk away from this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railrunner130 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Not to change the topic, but I realized not long ago that the C-17 has been in service since the early-mid '90s, with approximately 220 in the US fleet alone and only one write-off. Lots of expensive repairs, but only one write-off. That's actually not too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdaley Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 The Brits blew 5460 up after it hit a bomb on the runway. USN EOD guys blew up 3661 after it was damaged by a typhoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdaley Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 J has a much better safety record, but fewer aircraft flown and many advances in technology. Not very comparable. But the J has been flying since 1995 and only 4 losses. The RAF bird 5460 hit a bomb on the runway. Never heard a cause of the Italian 5497 crashed in the Traffic Pattern, never heard a cause. The Norwegian 5630 flew into a mountain. What actually happened to the USAF one. Long? Off the side? Hard landing? Short? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hush Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 You are correct, as usual, Ron Dogers. Hush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in WV Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 I was told med evac and search and rescue missions can be the most dangerous due to crews taking chances they won't in combat. It was one of those "things to remember". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 You are correct, as usual, Ron Dogers. Hush Hey Hush, Had lunch in Berlin lately? Check Google Earth sometime -- the Waldorf Legion building is gone; just an empty lot now. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTECH Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I once was that soldier that needed medevac and the crews that fly those sorties are my angels, I am here to speak of it today cuz of them. SAR and Medevac without doubt the most dangerous. So that others may live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoedog Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 As for the cause I don't know. We got over here a just before it happened. It ran off the runway, collapsed the right gear and there it sits. One of the AR guys with us went down there to help get the tail off. Love the Army mentality, got a guy in a fall harness hanging from a crane to cut some holes about 3/4 the way up the vertical stab, then made some cuts at the base so an MRAP could pull it over so they could open up the runway. Tried getting on a mission to cann some parts from it, but higher ups thought it would be better to wait 7 days for them to come from the states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surf70 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK6_FJyb2Ho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RavenFE Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Accident Investigation Board has been formed at LRF this week. Accident occured at LZ Shank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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