Metalbasher

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57-0478 inside the Museum of Aviation at Robins...

Any idea what damage occurred to 79-0478?

Bob I seem to recall that 1597, 1598 and one more at Yokota in the early 90s were SOL II and they were all referred to as Super Es too. Remember the third #?

The green material you are referring to is call TPC...temporary protective coating. It's applied at the manufacturer's location and is meant to provide protection to the aluminum skins until such time when the entire aircraft assembly is ready for paint. Paint shop will remove the TPC prior to starting the primer/topcoat application process with a simple alkaline wash. Typically all manufacturer's use/mandate a TPC during the manufacturing process but different manufacturer's use different TPC. Boeing uses a a product with a green tint to it, LMCO uses an orange tinted material etc.

Not likely to see the YMC-130 that was modified for Project Credible Sport...it was moved from the Museum area (open to the public) to the Warrior Air Base/EDMXS Training area (not open to the public) last year. There are also bits and pieces located inside the museum, forward fuselage for demo purposes etc.

It's a wonder they didn't push it to the main gate at Hurby for display...just put a P model and Talon I out there, why not add the Talon II now vs. later.

The Fed Std 595 color numbers for the Proud AMC image (where we transitioned from Sea Foam Green to Blue and Tan) are Beige - # 23531 (semi-gloss) Blue - # 25414 (semi-gloss) You can google Fed Std 595 and actually see color swatches on line. We used Sherwin Williams latex paint (5-gal buckets) when we did refurb on C-141s. I'm sure you can still get the latex (if desired) or other types, i.e. lacquer, polyurethane etc. Most car paint shops should be able to mix it for you with just the Fed Std 595 color above and whatever size package, i.e. pint, quart etc. Good thing is that if you are slightly off in shade, it shouldn't be too big of deal since you are repainting the entire seat and not touching it up/trying to match and existing paint.

Yes it was the TC-H. It left DM and went to Waco and was sitting out there being used every so often for flight training and a little flight test bed stuff until they EC program was given an unmodified acft to be used as a true flying test bed. Just curious, when was this photo taken? I was out at Waco Aug 2014 and it was still sitting there at Waco (waiting for final disposition).

Bob check out the Historical Forum...someone has posted a pix of 64-14859 sitting in AMARG. Not sure when the pix was taken though.

My official list from July 2015 no longer lists an E model.

The original sea foam green is Fed Std 595 color number 34424 (should be able to go to any number of places and have them mix it up for you...should even be able to get latex. It may appear blue because in the early 90s, the USAF went to what was called the "Proud AMC Image" which transitioned away from the European 1 exterior paint scheme to the Equipment Excellence system (still in use today). At the same time, they changed the colors of the interior from sea foam green to a blue and tan...I can dig at home tonight to see if I still have the color #s but painting it sea foam green is the more accurate color.

Been back and forth to Yokota a few times, Dyess, Elmo and LR but never a MAFFS acft or to Wyoming.

I'd be curious as to how much fuel would really get to the underfloor area and eventually the flapper valves given the floor panels, D-rings etc are all sealed during installation. Even with the use of Av-DEC tape, there is a requirement for a fillet seal on the floor panels. Different story on J models though, especially if equipped with ECHS (roller conveyor storage in the floor), then fuel or any liquid for that matter will fill the underfloor structure.

AMC has workcards listed in AMCI 21-118, refurb cards for E/H models. LR has something locally for J and the contractor at Hurlburt works off something local. At one time there were official Refurb Workcards, similar to HSC and ISO workcards, that's what I'm looking for. I believe they went away in the early 90s after Desert Shield/Desert Storm when the ops tempo increased due to the long standing efforts in PSAB and other locations.

Does anyone remember what TO the C-130 Refurb Workcards were, i.e. 1C-130A-6WC-xx? Additionally, trying to find a set of these cards if anyone has a set. Thanks Scott

The one in the pix I'm pretty sure is USCG #1721...it had the gray and white paint scheme. USCG 1708 had the newer USCG orange and white paint scheme. The plan was to remove the USCG markings off #1721 and let it go with the existing paint scheme (to be repainted later) so that would appear is what happened.

7/10/2015 - ROBINS AIR FORCE BASE, Ga. -- A fourth C-130H Hercules was delivered June 20 at Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, and its significance can be traced back to planners, program managers, engineers and maintainers at Robins. Prior to its delivery to the Afghan Air Force, it first made a stop here for something quite interesting and unique - the complete separation of the aircraft's nose from its fuselage in March 2014. The move to build a C-130 fleet in support of the AAF - which received its first two C-130s in the fall of 2013 - will bring increased tactical airlift capabilities for troops engaged in various missions, as well as resupply and casualty evacuation capabilities. The new fleet of four C-130s is a complete departure from anything the Afghan Air Force has owned before, according to Lt. Col. Tyler Faulk, Combined Security Transition Command-Afghanistan's Security Assistance Office deputy director. "These C-130s are the Afghan Air Force's first four-engine aircraft with this type of expanded capability," he said. "This fleet allows them to transport supplies or troops within Afghanistan, as well as to partner nations where they can execute missions, trainings and exercises, and a whole host of international activities." With Robins' support, the 560th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, which includes more than 800 personnel, along with the 402nd Aircraft Maintenance Support Squadron and 339th Flight Test Squadron, successfully completed 2,890 maintenance operations and logged over 17,904 labor hours on the aircraft. Among those operations were the removal and replacement of the entire nose assembly, accomplishing inspections and maintenance tasks necessary to make the aircraft flight worthy. It also included painting the aircraft, and accomplishing the functional test flight. Because of a hard landing experienced by the C-130H, major structural damage occurred to the aircraft's nose, which was later removed and replaced with a nose from a second donor aircraft that was scheduled to be retired. This unscheduled depot level maintenance nose repair was disassembled at the factory break, and took about three weeks, with the final nose separation taking place in about 90 minutes. "This team took two 1974 model aircraft that were slated for retirement and built a combat ready aircraft to support our foreign military sales partners," said Jim Russell, 560th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron director. "Our maintenance professionals took on this never before performed task and excelled. This just goes to prove the professionals at the Warner Robins Air Logistics Complex are force multipliers who are willing and ready to support when the call of duty comes our way." The C-130's versatility, including its short takeoff and landing capabilities, makes it an ideal aircraft for use in Afghanistan's rugged terrain. Posted 7/10/2015 by Jenny Gordon Robins Public Affairs View original article... View full article

Anyone know what King Fisher or Fisher King aircraft refers to with regard to HC-130Ns? I'm looking in a database and there is a comment that states this is a Fisher King/King Fisher Aircraft.

For additional information please contact Ken Klusman, [email protected], 478- 222-1273.

I think the other two were 74-1675 (#4640) and 74-1677(#4643) both delivered in Oct 2013.

74-1665 was the one that just arrived...got a new nose from 74-2072.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/06/18/vas-new-rules-on-agent-orange-reject-most-previously-filed.html?comp=7000023317843&rank=1 Jun 18, 2015 | by Bryant Jordan New rules posted to the federal register on Thursday make it possible for American service members exposed to Agent Orange years after the Vietnam War to be awarded compensation from the Department of Veterans Affairs for related health problems. But it is unlikely that many of the now-eligible, dioxin-sickened veterans who previously applied for compensation will have an active date-of-claim any earlier than tomorrow -- June 19, 2015 -- when the rule change takes effect. "The effective date will generally be the date of publication of the interim final rule -- in this case, June 19, 2015 -- as long as the veteran or reservist files a new or reopened claim with VA within one year of that date," VA spokeswoman Meagan Lutz said. The rule change applies to 2,000 or more veterans, most of them Air Force reservists who served aboard or maintained C-123 Providers contaminated with Agent Orange for years after the planes' defoliation missions over Vietnam ended. Until now, the VA has not recognized these service members for the purposes of Agent Orange compensation, and denied claims based on exposure to the dioxin. One VA official, talking on background because he was not authorized to speak for the department, said one exception to the June 19 date-of-claim would be if a C-123 veteran has a claim that has not yet been denied. In that case, he said, compensation would commence from the original file date if the claim is approved. The official was uncertain if there were other exceptions. Bart Stichman, an attorney and joint executive director of the National Veterans Legal Services Program, expressed disappointment in general with the VA's decision to not reconsider denied claims from the original file dates. "That's what I feared," he told Military.com on Thursday. "They're not going to go retro. That hurts people with longstanding claims. And they could have gone retro, so it's giving [veterans] half a loaf." Stichman, who has been involved in Agent Orange cases and litigation with the VA for decades, said there are many veterans who filed claims in connection with exposure to Agent Orange aboard post-war C-123s, though he does not know just how many. The VA said on Monday that the rules change was imminent and only awaited approval of the White House Office of Management and Budget. That happened on Thursday. The Associated Press reported that the cost of the compensation will be about $45.7 million over the next 10 years, with separate health care coverage adding to that cost. Stichman said the VA has, by its long delays in recognizing these veterans as victims of Agent Orange, harmed them. By refusing to honor the dates of previously filed claims, he said, "the delay is doubly harming." It's not the first time the VA has done this, he said. In 2011, the VA expanded compensation eligibility to troops exposed to Agent Orange along the Korean DMZ, but would pay claims only from the date of the rule change, he said. The NVLSP has a case in federal court seeking to change that, Stichman said. In a statement announcing the change, VA Secretary Bob McDonald said the department will begin accepting and processing claims immediately. The NVLSP and other veterans' organizations have pressed Congress and the VA for years to honor claims filed by service members who served aboard the C-123s after Vietnam. Studies, including one published in January by the Institute of Medicine, backed veterans' claims that the planes remained contaminated by the dioxin and were making the airmen ill. The IOM study was requested by the VA. Between 1972 and 1982, the study found, some 1,500 to 2,100 Air Force Reserve members trained and worked on the planes that had conducted the aerial spraying over Vietnam. Samples taken from the aircraft showed the presence of Agent Orange residues, the IOM found. McDonald on Thursday said the decision to expand benefits following receipt of the IOM report was "the right thing to do." The evidence was needed, he said, "to ensure we can now fully compensate any former crew member who develops an Agent Orange-related disability." Those eligible included Air Force and Air Force Reserve flight, medical and ground maintainer personnel who served on the contaminated planes. The VA will now presume that development of Agent Orange-related conditions was caused by exposure to the residue. The VA identified several specific units and bases where members could have been exposed to the residue, including the 906th and 907th Tactical Air Groups, or 355th and 356th Tactical Airlift Squadrons at Lockbourne/Rickenbacker Air Force Base in Ohio; the 731st Tactical Air Squadron and 74th Aeromedical Evacuation Squadron, Westover Air Force Base in Massachusetts; and the 758th Airlift Squadron during the period 1969 to 1986 at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, International Airport. Airmen who served at these units and locations may file for a disability compensation claim online through the joint VA-Department of Defense web portal, eBenefits. The VA also said in its statement that the contaminated aircraft may have been used at several active-duty Air Force bases following their service in Vietnam. Those who served on an active-duty base where the aircraft were assigned or who had "regular and repeated contact with the aircraft through flight, ground or medical duties during the period 1969 to 1986, and who develop an Agent Orange-related disability" may apply by going to this VA website. Claims not filed through eBenefits should be mailed to Department of Veterans Affairs, Claims Intake Center, Attention: C123 Claims, P.O. Box 5088, Janesville, WI 53547-5088. Alternatively, the claims may be faxed to the Wisconsin center at 608-373-6694. Veterans with specific benefit questions related to dioxin exposure on C-123s may call the VA's C-123 Hotline at 1-800-749-8387 (available 8 a.m. to 9 p.m. EST) or e-mail [email protected].

Looks great! Just curious what kind of paint was used? I assume latex since no one is wearing a respirator, coveralls etc.