P3_Super_Bee

Must have been a squadron level rule. Have sat the right seat a many times for P-3 ground maintenance taxi's. The only time I've ever seen two pilots go on a maintenance taxi, is when one is working on the qual. <new guy fresh out of VP-30 (Fleet Replacement Squadron). Zero enlisted taxi qual'ed for P-3's, very few groundpounders ground turn qual'ed. F/E's do the majority of maintenance turns. It's their "watch" during their crew duty week. Bout the only time they allow groundpounders to get ground turn qual'ed are for extended hi-tempo dets where crew rest issues with the F/E doing a maintenance turn at zero dark thirty. (No crew duty on these dets) Doubt there are any enlisted qual'ed to taxi Hercs anymore either with VXE-6 shutdown. Don't see a need for reserves to have the need. With the op tempo/Area of Ops for Deep Freeze, makes since for enlisted taxi quals in VXE-6.

So we are all supposed to drink the kool aid? It doesn't matter WHO posted it. You could have posted it. I STILL would have said it was stupid and a lame attempt at comedy. It's MY OPINION. I think you should have keep quiet if you didn't like what I said, or others.

That is just plain stupid. Very poor attempt at comedy.

I know the Navy won't post and or publish reports for the public. Most likely the rest of the services are the same.

Standard gray, as like the first C-17. The second C-17 in Qatar Airlines colors, is said to be used to support the Emir when he is abroad.

Couple weeks before the first one makes the paint shop. She should be going through buy off from DCMA for Final Assembly. Then the Trim Shop gets it for a week before she moves out of B1 to the paint shop. The only way to see photos is if LM releases them. We are not allowed to take photos due to Proprietary/Security reasons. They might do some when they roll the first one out to go to the paint shop. Though they didn't do anything when she was moved into Bodymate.

That's what we use at the plant...

One of the pluses there is if you have an issue with blade, like the Dowty prop on the "J" all you do is change the blade, vice the old school way of changing the prop. Not that changing the "J" prop is all that hard. Take's about an hour to hang all four.

Here's a question.... Why 8 blades instead of 6 like the "J"? The answer I have heard, though, not from anyone really in the know, is that it has to do with the harmonics. A 6 blade gives off different harmonics than a 4 blade, thus all or at least some of the avionics on a aircraft with a 4 blade would have to be upgraded to work correctly with the 6 blade. But taking an 8 blade, nothing needs to be done with avionics, as an 8 blade gives off the same harmonics as a 4. Something about equal addition. IE 4, 8, 12, 3, 6, 9, etc... It does kind of make since to someone like me that don't have this type of background. BUT, there's always one of those isn't there. This would mean when they converted the C-130A's with 3 blades to 4, there would have been some avionics changes, correct? Then again, this talk I had delt with the P-3, and this avionic thing might be a mission gear type thing, and nothing to do with normal nav stuff. I really don't know, just looking for thoughts from others.

They are on Google Maps / Earth as well.

?? Deal went south in '94, the Air Farce didn't get the planes till at least 2002. The orange/white scheme is an Air Farce scheme. Not Pakistan's. The aircraft were built between December '88 and '94. 11 (6 A's / 5' from the December '88 under Peace Gate III. Under Peace Gate IV 17 (7 A's / 10 B's) more were built and flown directly to Davis-Mothen. In '96 the US decided to try an sell them... Deals with Indoneisa, New Zealand, Philippines and the Republic of China(Taiwan), either fell through, or didn't make it to the table. They were even considered to be donated to the Air Force of the Federation of Bosnia and Hertzegovina, this didn't pan out either. In all the above scenarios Pakistan would have recieved monies from the deal to pay off the $685 million they had spent on the aircraft. In 2002 the US decided to quit trying to sell the aircraft, and started pulling them from the bone yard, and split them evenly between the Air Farce and the Navy, to use as Aggressor Aircraft. Though after 9/11 and the Pakistani Government becoming a major US ally in the War on Terror, it was decided to re-deliver those aircraft to Pakistan. Half of them have been delivered, also in 2005 Pakistan requested 24 Block 50/52 F-16C/D's with an option for 55. Info from: F-16 dot net ARTICLE

Hamilton Sundstrand's POWERPOINT from LM's 2010 HOC, on the NP2000 & Electronic Prop Control Systems upgrade for legacy aircraft. Though don't give real meat & potatoes, more a quick brush over at they are doing well...

My guess is they are confused with the LC that has the NP-2000 8 bladed prop.

The Navy started pulling the F-16A/B's in the boneyard marked for Pakistan in 2002. So my guess is they "traded in" and/or given credit for them towards the F-16C/D order they placed in 05.

Makes since. I knew LM didn't have anything to do with them. Just happen to be at the plant. Which happens to be Government Property anyway.

As stated in the article, they are owned by Libya, therefore making selling someone else's stuff a sticky issue I would think. \\ Though a question for DCMA(who acutally controls the aircraft, not LM). Would be why are they sitting there rotting? When This happened with Pakistan in the 80's the aircraft that were built after the sanctions went into effect were flown to Davis-Mothen and preserved. Pakistan has since received their aircraft.

Another good indication would be a AFSOC tour at the Marietta plant this past week. :)

Yep numbers are all running together on me. LOL Been working on 5664 all week and for some reason still had 51J02 in my brain for the version. Sorry about that. C/Ns are pretty much a worthless number to me as far as work. We use the version number instead on the floor. So sometimes they tend to run together. lol

Thanks for the info....

All right. Sounds good. Thanks for clearing that up :)

Your list is off, (unless its just pulled out of the air to be used as an example) 5663 and 64 are the first two QATAR ships. and 5668 & 5669 are Canadian Ships. #12 and #13 for them, tail numbers 130612/613 The 09-6213 numbers look like Air Farce s/n's

The 382C is one model, not sure myself don't have the book with the complete breakdown, but a guess would say short "H" The 382G is another, as Jansen pointed out the Civilian model, and quite possibly a -30, with the -20 being another letter designation 382F ??? The 382U is the short "J", for example The 382V is the Stretched "J" for example. The question is why on the the spec sheet the OP has states the aircraft model number is 382G-44K-30 and Lar's book has the same aircraft listed as 382G-70C. What is the 70C?? and or for that matter -68C?? -69E?? as listed by the two aircraft you posted...

51J.

Didn't know that. Yep, those were one of the first aircraft I worked on at LM. Though the 1st Dyess bird(5631?, can't remember how they were sitting for sure.) was the 1st aircraft for me. So I've touched 34 aircraft since I've started. Was working 5663 yesterday.

Ok... I am refering to the banner that is on the side of the fuselage as it rolls down the line. There are 5 sets of numbers/designations on each... LM Serial Number Model Version Customer Serial Number Tail Number Attached is an EXAMPLE(note the word EXAMPLE, before some moron comes up trying to say that's not a banner off a Qatar aircraft) On the Indian Banner both the tail and Serial are the same number, and in most cases it is the same.(which in case, is wrong from what they ended up being, not sure if India changed it, or the guy who makes the banner screwed the pouch) I think in most cases, unless your Air Farce, the number is the same. (Or in Qatar's C-17, they might be different, as they have civilian tail numbers) US Navy the numbers would be the same, as they don't use "Tail Numbers" they have what is called modex numbers which is a whole different ball of wax(more so for the tail hooks, than the big boys though) Also note, the 211 and 212 DID NOT come from "They are the 211th and 12th "J's" produced. They are either 227/228 or 228/229 (can't remember for sure)