SEFEGeorge

I use Firefox. The scroll-bar is along the bottom of the picture not along the bottom of the screen.

I\'ve got a scroll-bar across the bottom of the picture so I can scroll left and right and see the other half of the picture. Been curious though, what\'s up with the KC-10? Thought that was going to be the KC-135 replacement.

A link that was sent to me. Pretty damn good.... http://patriotfiles.org/Pledge.htm

Worst birdstrike I know of was at EDF a few years ago. E-3 taking off and sucked some seagulls into the engines. It crashed and burned off the end of the runway.

I was there, in the 16th TATS, for that one. It was a 50th crew on 73-1588, if I remember correctly. Coming in at night, decided to do a \"non-standard\" opposite end approach and landing to runway 7 (if I remember the runway numbers right) to save time. Saved flight time by a few minutes but played hell with the maintenance time and crew debrief time.

So true gizzard. But we all can\'t forget the crews (air and ground) of the Boos and Providers. I worked Boos during VN, and i\'ve patched many a bullet holes during my inspections, etc.

I edited the link and got rid of the period at the end of the sentence. Seemed to work fine then.

If nothing else just go to their web page and browse to it. http://www.operationmom.org

It was sent to me as a web link just like I posted. Would serve all if they visited http://www.operationmom.org/gap.html Pretty awesome site, pics, and videos.

I am over sixty and the Armed Forces think I\'m too old to track down terrorists. (You can\'t be older than 42 to join the military.) They\'ve got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds off to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn\'t be able to join a military unit until you\'re at least 35. For starters: Researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10 seconds. Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a day, leaving us more than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy. Young guys haven\'t lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky soldier is a dangerous soldier. \"My back hurts! I can\'t sleep, I\'m tired and hungry!\" We are impatient and maybe letting us kill some asshole that desperately deserves it will make us feel better and shut us up for a while. An 18-year-old doesn\'t even like to get up before 10 A.M. Old guys always get up early to pee so what the hell. Besides, like I said, \"I\'m tired and can\'t sleep and since I\'m already up, I may as well be up killing some fanatical son-of-a-bitch. If captured we couldn\'t spill the beans because we\'d forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a real brainteaser. Boot camp would be easier for old guys. We\'re used to getting screamed and yelled at, we like soft food and we\'ve also developed an appreciation for guns. We\'ve been using them for years as an excuse to get out of the house, away from the screaming and yelling. They could lighten up on the obstacle course however. I\'ve been in combat and didn\'t see a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side, nor did I ever do any pushups after completing basic training. I can hear the Drill Sgt. now, \"Get down and give me ... er ... one.\" Actually, the running part is kind of a waste of energy, too. I\'ve never seen anyone outrun a bullet. An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him. He\'s still learning to shave, to start up a conversation with a pretty girl. He still hasn\'t figured out that a baseball cap has a brim to shade his eyes, not the back of his head. These are all great reasons to keep our kids at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off into harm\'s way. Let us old guys track down those dirty rotten cowards who attacked us on September 11. The last thing an enemy would want to see right now is a couple of million pissed off old farts with attitudes and automatic weapons who know that their best years are already behind them. If nothing else, put us on the border and we will have it secured the first night. Share this with your senior friends. :angry:

This was sent me me and I wanted to make sure that it got posted here. http://www.operationmom.org/ToOurParents.html

I noticed in Bob\'s collection that picture C shows the bird with a 70lb flight deck AC intake. But the pic here doesn\'t look like she has the standard one. She get that upgraded then?

Too funny. The commanding officer of a regiment in the U.S. Marines Corps was about to start the morning briefing to his staff and company commanders. While waiting for the coffee machine to finish its brewing, he decided to pose a question to all assembled. He explained that his wife had been a bit frisky the night before and he failed to get his usual amount of sound sleep. He posed the question of just how much of sex was \'work\' and how much of it was \'pleasure\'? The XO chimed in with 75-25% in favor of work. A captain said it was 50-50%. The colonel\'s aide, a LT, responded with 25-75% in favor of pleasure, depending on his state in inebriation at the time. There being no consensus, the colonel turned to the PFC who was in charge of making coffee. What was HIS opinion? The colonel was surprised and, as you might guess, asked why? \"Well, Sir,\" began the PFC, \"if there was any work involved, the officers would have me doing it for them.\" The room fell silent. God Bless the working stiffs! :woohoo:

Looked like 40560 to me.

Tnx. Just couldn\'t remember the tail numbers of the birds.

Just wondering, was that one of the old DM drone birds that we brought to LRF back in \'80 or so and was demoded? Just curious, and if so, was wondering if that could have played a part in the problem.

It was a sad day for me when the 17th, err 517th, lost their Herc\'s. When I go to the DORF in \'82 the squadron was still in a hanger on the main side of the base. Then they gave us space in Hanger 15 on the back side of the base and we had to remodel it to fit our needs, then get everything moved over, and still keep the flying schedule going. We put a lot of time and effort to get the building in shape, but sadly.....

The only one I ever met was Joe Mayo, FE. We went through the FE performance school at Altus in late \'79 as part of the C-130 IFE cadre to evaluate the course for C-130 FEs. I seem to recall that he perished in the accident.

April 71... I was sweating my a** off working on Boo\'s at CRB.

Guess I took too much pride(and ego)in the effort I put into being an FE. I know that there were ACs that refused birds just on my say-so as to what I perceived as a problem, significant problem. Had an AC once where we had a strange engine problem flying up to Kotzebue, similar to a throttle failure but not quite. Before we caged it I had him make a turn so I could see #2 in the rising sun, as soon as he turned I was watching the engine and as soon as I saw the side of the engine I told him to cage the engine. Without a question he caged it and then asked what\'s up. The inboard side of the engine had a sheet of fuel blowing back. Engine shop couldn\'t find a reason for the fuel blowing out and said we were good to go. I told him that something was still wrong. He asked engine shop look further. Well as soon as they pressurized the system past the fuel shutoff valve the engine guy got a bath. Seems we had a cracked line at a fuel nozzle. Guess the point being that the FE has to have good credibility and great system knowledge (over and above the dash 1). And that\'s what I based a lot of my evals on. People still bitched about dash 1 this and that, but if I had a 2,000 hour FE and all he could do was quote the dash 1 then I had suspicions about his knowledge and ability. Over the years I had 3 job offers. One to teach at the FE Performance School, one to teach at the McChord Sim after my fresher there, and one to move to gunships during Brim Frost 85. Not sure why I didn\'t. Guess I\'m just a trash hauler at heart.

After spending many years at the schoolhouse you are \"exposed\" to officers from many services and countries. Most of them had never flown a crew airplane and many had overblown egos. The tactful approach very seldom worked so the more \"aggressive\" approach got the best results. As an officer you\'ll probably contradict that. The A/C may have \"signed\" for the bird, but if a crew member screws up in doing his job, it\'s not the A/C who\'s name and position are highlighted in the Incident Report or AIB Report as the primary cause. Learning how to \"run a panel\" is not the same as operating the panel. When was the last time you put the LM in your seat and had him fly the plane so he could learn your position? When was the last time you did a pre-flight when it was -30 degrees? Just because I could read an approach plate doesn\'t mean that I took it on my own to set radios, etc., without being asked to or first offering to help. It might be nothing more than you stay on your side of the fence and i\'ll stay on mine. And not to belabor the point if I was administering a flt eval, or for that matter even a regular mission, and a co-pilot or A/C flipped a switch on the FE\'s panel. Then after landing I\'d be talking to my boss about non-qualified crew members operating panels. If you get in to a mindset where you start flipping switches on the FE\'s panel whenever you feel like, are you going to do the same thing during an ASET eval? Guess i\'m getting old and crotchity, and saw too many lax attitudes develop from crew members that had gotten complacent, that could have gotten someone hurt or an airplane pranged if the events changed a little. Sort of an example: FE get\'s to the bird at O-dark 30, no maintenance around. Power cart is off. FE cranks up the power cart and applies power to the airplane. He was Q-3\'d on the spot by the SEFE. Why is that? He never checked the forms to make sure that it was safe to apply power. Complacency.

On my bird I use to put on a full rain suit and a face shield and take cart of pressurized PD680 and wash all 3 wheel wells.

You\'re correct about that. Just meant to say that they took the 17th designator away from the 17th TAS and gave it to the C-17 Sqd for the same type of political BS. It may have been 16 years ago but it is the same type of BS as is happening now and costs a ton of money, not withstanding the history of the \"losing\" squadron.

I started on JC-131B\'s at WPAFB in ASD in 69-70. We flew a lot of different test beds on our birds. We carried 2 external power pods under the winds just to power the assorted experiments they mounted inside. In an emergency they could be jettisoned. Ended up back at WP in 72. Started on C-118s as CC for a while, then up to FM for a time until they cut the FM slots. Then worked on T-29B/C/D and C-131C/D before I moved to T-29 FM. Did that until 75 when I flew the last T-29 to the boneyard. Told most of us we had to re-train, so I chose going to the Herc. Hit LRF July 75. Been too many years to remember much about the recips but always loved the sound of a 118 at idle with those short stacks. The one thing I did hate was servicing the cabin compressors with Skydrol.

Well US Herk, in my years on the Herc I did teach Pilots, Co-Pilots Navs, and even LMs systems. If they had a question I would gladly answer it. If something happened to me at least they\'d have some kind of working knowledge. There were times that I was at the pool at my apartment complex in Jacksonville that I \"held class\" there. Many pilots stayed there with their family\'s and they would drag their dash 1 out and we\'d go over systems. These were the same ones I had in the sim and during flight phase. But the point being is that you touch someone else\'s panel without asking or informing first. How\'d you like it if the FE hit the starter button, set your BDHI, tweaked the autopilot servos, moved the flap handle/gear handle, silenced the gear warning horn, etc? The overhead panel is the FE\'s concern and responsibility. If something happens up there the FE is the one who\'s trained to handle it, and who\'s A** is in a crack if something goes wrong. On the other hand I learned about approaches, the nav station, navigating low levels, etc. During Red Flag I \"took over\" for the nav after he had been \"incapacitated\", by the D.O., during a drop route. The days of a crew airplane and combat crew training. But I guess that was before the days of Political Correctness. You all may be in the mid-east a lot, but we trained a lot to do just what you\'re doing now.