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The MC-130Js will be there when you wrap up in Germany. You'll have more operational experience and be better prepared for the MC-J's mission when you get ready for your next assignment. And no one I have ever talked to would trade a tour in Ramstein for one in Cannon.

64-0523, MC-130E, Cannon AFB.

Thanks I'll add it.

Bob

Awesome news! Glad to see her finally getting properly tended to.

I guess now you are gonna tell me there is a hydraulic or electrical pulley mechanism above 727 for the CDS pulley.

Well, I can't speak for the AMC or J-model side of the house, but in AFSOC, the vast majority of the mass CDS drops during deployments were manual gate releases. Had to be in the windows, anyway, so why bother with a static line retriever cut?

Towed Paratrooper Retrieval System. When it first came out, I knew it as the "Canadian Sling." Basically, a pulley attached to two straps which you hooked to the anchor cable (hooks when aft of the center anchor cable support bracket) and a strap you could attached to the retrieval cable and wrap around the static lines. Made for a smoother recovery because it kept the static lines in the center of the paratroop door opening and put less strain on the winch.

I learned Form Fs "öld school" and it has come in handy; batteries do die at the worst possible time. But the ability to correct an error or load change on a Form F in about ten seconds is awesome.

So....as far as bombs on -130's go (besides pushing them out of the cargo compt)...anyone know about this picture. I remember seeing it on here and know its been around. I also think about it when some of the guys I work with...say "this has never been done"

Is this an Argentinian Herk? Some mod they threw together during the Falklands War?

I don't know of very many offensive actions the NVAF bubbas undertook. I have heard of a few attacks against the Navy while they were shelling the North's coastal assets, a helo incursion here and there, but no organized campiagns, nothing like what we were doing to them. I always figured the NVAF was used as more of a point defence asset than anything else. Some of you folks were there; was that the case? Or were there more incidents, just nothing really to talk about?

They shot the snot out of it, but they didn't shoot it down. I can't remember how many died, but there was at least one. The aircraft was forced to land in Peru, if I recall correctly. That incident is why all the slicks carried a full-color American flag on the tail for a while.

They've been flying during the daylight for 2 years now, in theatre...I've done 2 deployments on them. I won't get detailed on the internet, but the W is safe during the day. SDB's are alive and well, and impressive.

I haven't been on a gunpigs for a long time, and those were A-models, so I trust you know what you're talking about. Technology, tactics and times do change and this is not Iraq of the 1990s we're talking about--but daylight loitering just doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Yeah . . . but in a classic 'more with less' case of mission creep (not to mention more than a little intraservice rivalry), they also want them to start flying in the daylight. Standoff range is great so long as the only guys shooting back at you are the ones you're actively engaging. We've played the "let's fly gunships in the daylight" before and it didn't work out so well for us. Do we really need to learn this lesson twice?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/gunships-daytime/

The SAR AFSOC has done has be mostly opportune efforts--they were there and ready, so they took the mission. We rarely sit as dedicated CSAR (though it does happen) primarily because our main mission is supporting the bubbas downrange. We can't do that if we're tethered to a strip alert somewhere. That's not to knock the CSAR folks in any way; we depend on them as much as anyone else. They couldn't do their mission if they were out on a supporting a TIC when the call came in. Better to have them seperated from AFSOC so as to ensure they're not retasked at the wrong time. Just my two cents, mind you, but that's the way I see it.

Not anymore. "Global Strike Command" has taken the nuclear mission from ACC after several bouts of buffoonary.

Only problem with putting the rescue assets within AFSOC is that AFSOC will use them--and not necessarily the way ACC wants them to. The Rescue mission can easily be seen as a special operation, and I don't want to take anything from it, but AFSOC does a lot more with their tanker and vertical lift assets than CSAR and you can bet that won't change just because of where a given asset came from. If you want a dedicated CSAR unit, it needs to be under a command that's not going to do use those assets for anything other than CSAR.

No, not a way I want to see any of these birds go.

Courtesy of the crew chief who was there.

One of the crew chiefs has some pictures from that day; I'll see if I can scrounge them up.

She was scrapped in place a few years back, right about the time the construction on the east side of the field began. Don't know anything about the 7 SFG getting a fuselage to train with.

Didn't mean to kick over an ant's nest here; nor do I intend to insult anyone here who was there. Just looking for perspective.

I guess the question I would have is since they were given to them and they supposedly used them, why would they have the USAF markings still on them?

Now if they were displaying them as war trophies, that would make sense to re mark them!!

Kind of the way I saw it when I asked the question. We were their most difficult foe, the C-130 is an iconic American aircraft, and they had one left over from when they overran the South. Seemed simple enough to me, at least when I asked the question.

We had the option, the North didn't. None of our aircraft were ever captured by them in good enough condition to use like that. They had to make do with a forty year old hulk.

As for incorrectly marked aircraft, I know warbird carry a lot of names and numbers that don't match the aircraft's actual history. Museums, I think, are probably more true to the history of a given artifiact, but I wouldn;t put it past them to paint up an aircraft to match the numbers and paint job of a famous axis ace to draw in more tourists.

And how many MiGs, Sukois, Zeroes or Messerschmitts are there in museums across the US, marked incorrectly to represent a foes from our past? How is this any different?

Hurlburt's Air Park is very well maintained, to include securing the aircraft for hurricanes. What they don't have is a lot more room, at least the way the park is laid out right now.

Not for this Talon, no. From what I can gather, she's to be disassembled and inspected to see how well the CWBs held up during the last fifteen or so years. But there are worse fates than being turned into beer cans.

Left her at Dobbins over near base operations. Got some pictures around here somewhere and one of the former crew chiefs has video of the last takeoff.

Boeing 307?

And contrary to the AFSOC/CC's multiple comments to the contrary, you can't just "fit a TF card" to an APN241 and make it a TF radar.

That's almost exactly what I remember hearing about the potential for J-model TF radar. So, in addition to the ECM issue, TF is a big question--and neither sounds overly cheap to fix.

It appears General PK Carleton's wish of getting all the enlisteds off the flight deck is finally coming to pass. With the C-17 replacing the C-141 and the J model replacing the older C-130s, the flight engineer is going the way of the horse and buggy. I hate to see that, because the FE is an invaluable resource. When this first started happening, all the pilots I talked to hated it because, at some point, they're not going to be able to turn around and say "hey, engineer, what do you think?"

Marines are flying their Js with a crew chief up front . . . not that it will make any difference to the AF bean counters. All they see is a supposedly lower price; true capability means little to them.

As for the CS2 taking over all the missions of the Combat Talon (no such critter as a Combat Talon 1!), does the CS2 have an ECM suite or TF radar? Be about the only two things lacking I am aware of. If I recall correctly, the radar on the J is capable of TF, but I haven't heard anything about an ECM suite.