Oberon

If nothing changed, this is the list of the C-130E machines and their respective CWBs donors:

59-1525 70-1273

59-6957 70-1272

58-0714 70-1262

59-1529 70-1276

61-0958 70-1263

Oberon

Another "E" on lease as a replacement.

http://dlapilota.pl/image/view/15285/_original

Oberon

What's left of the bird

http://img17.imageshack.us/i/18376490.jpg/

Oberon

According to some news, the Polish C-130 project is 120 mln USD FMF, the rest (how much?) is PLAF.

Oberon

According to some rumors, 72-1299 will be handed over to PLAF for spares (in the frame of FMF).

Oberon

Yes,

72-1299 was on a 11 month loan, as a replacement for some late refurbs, but afaik, there were talks about PLAF getting it.

Oberon

Amazing pictures.

The machine deserves a place in a museum for bringing back safely the crew.

MMMM 5-10 million vs. 90 or 100 million, let me think on that one.

Question to the beancounters. What, if they will be looking again for a refurb and not a new one

Minor detail regarding the photo album. It's 72-1299 and not 70-1299.

Oberon

One more question regarding the mishap and the pictures of the 72-1299.

What systems/elements are located under the left wing in the area that sufferd damages?

Oberon

Any more news on the 1299 fate and causes of the mishap?

Oberon

According to an official statement by Norway MOD, a USAF MC-130 participating in the Cold Response exercise in Norway jumped chocks during engine ground run at Evenes AFB and ended in a snow bank, shedding one of its propellers.

One person was injured.

Picture:

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00134/C-130_Hercules_acci_134123a.jpg

Oberon

Consider it as a rumor, but because its public, I can put it here. According to some news, the primary cause of the 1299 mishap were the attitude indicators - they were not giving the same indications.

Is it possible or just a news b.s.?

How the C-130 autopilot would react in such case?

Oberon

Yes, 1506=1299.

Grounding :cool:, 1506/1299 is going nowhere (obvious) and the first Polish C-130E is not flying already for some time because of technical problems. Polish MOD (means Ministry of Defence and not MODerator) official statement talks about problems with fuel installation - they had to replace it. No comments on that.

I wrote about instruments problems a few days ago.

Oberon

From Stars&Stripes, November 2009, article about the last C-130E from Rammstein:

"Fifteen maintainers with the 86th AMU spent four days last week inspecting the aircraft and fixing 105 “gigs,†or minor maintenance problems. The home-check station inspection, typically done every 220 flying hours, wasn’t due until December, but the unit did it early for the transfer, said Master Sgt. Darren Veneman, 86th AMU production superintendent.

“They should be able to fly this airplane until … it’s ready to be retired next summer,†Veneman said of the Polish air force."

I understand that by next summer he meant summer of 2011?

Anyway, the bird didn't have to much time left. I think, that even if it would be possible to bring it back to life, it would be pointless for such short period.

Oberon

Everything explained in the parallel thread. Yes, those are new sites.

Dan,

if your fuel tank theory is correct, the tank on the left wing should be also dammaged (but we don't have any pictures of it).

Oberon

News are a part of the services it's offering so you can call it a news site.

Oberon

Thank you for the lecture Dan :wink:

The key information is the fact how light, and given the size, how thin walled are those fuel tanks. The tanks I know are quite heavier and bulkier. I didn't know that and that shed a totally new light on that picture for me.

My two cents regarding the traffic, I don't think it came frome the Altair site, but rather from a military forum in Poland, but it's just a guess.

Oberon

PS. The translation is far from perfect. Shortly, the crew was lucky; probably it will be the end of 72-1299; 70-1273 is still grounded, still waiting for the others Hercs; investments made in the Powidz AFB and finally - they didn't put it straight here, but taking into account that one and some other articles from the same author - why refurbs and not new Jays (even just 2 for starters).

Dan,

interesting. I didn't include the fuel in my equation, but I don't see how it could lead to such damages?

I was even thinking about a propeller blade hit (somehow) but really, it doesn't fit the picture. I don't know. One thing is sure, there is a visible black horizontal scratch/mark on the tank and we are talking about the starboard wing. The main landing gear door on the same side was also damaged. Nothing so on the other side.

Contrary to what was said in the news, the Herc was flying to A'stan and not from.

According to some rumors, the crew had problems with some instruments and made a quick controlled?/uncontrolled? descent.

Oberon

Just a guess, but are you sure it was a news site?

Oberon

Let me guess... the 1299 mishap thread.

Oberon

Thank you Dan. This is how I saw it, but I'm on the rotary side and preferred to ask.

What about the fuel tank? Watching the picture, there is a trace of impact on it (I'm not talking about the areas of missing paint) or it's just my imagination.

Oberon

The fact is, the original thread about the mishap of the 72-1299 just wanished, so many direct links to it will no longer be valid.

Anyway, I have question regarding the dammages under the wings visible on the pictures. Knowing the C-130 structure, how it's build, could they be the result of a high g maneuver or rather the result of a hard landing?

Oberon

After what happened in A'stan, will 1299 be scrapped?

Oberon