P3_Super_Bee

I went to VRC-50 at Cubi and was engine run and taxi qualified as well - in fact the rule for the Navy was if a crew taxied the plane then both pilots had to occupy the pilot and co-pilot seat, but if an engineer taxied only the pilot seat had to be occupied.

Must have been a squadron level rule. Have sat the right seat a many times for P-3 ground maintenance taxi's. The only time I've ever seen two pilots go on a maintenance taxi, is when one is working on the qual. <new guy fresh out of VP-30 (Fleet Replacement Squadron). Zero enlisted taxi qual'ed for P-3's, very few groundpounders ground turn qual'ed. F/E's do the majority of maintenance turns. It's their "watch" during their crew duty week. Bout the only time they allow groundpounders to get ground turn qual'ed are for extended hi-tempo dets where crew rest issues with the F/E doing a maintenance turn at zero dark thirty. (No crew duty on these dets)

Doubt there are any enlisted qual'ed to taxi Hercs anymore either with VXE-6 shutdown. Don't see a need for reserves to have the need. With the op tempo/Area of Ops for Deep Freeze, makes since for enlisted taxi quals in VXE-6.

I agree, Bruce. Muff is one of the more respected members of this forum. Just saying nothing at all about his post would have been much more appropriate. In fact, that "story" was posted many years ago on the old C-130 web site. No one made any negative comments then. My, how times change!

Don R.

So we are all supposed to drink the kool aid? It doesn't matter WHO posted it. You could have posted it. I STILL would have said it was stupid and a lame attempt at comedy. It's MY OPINION. I think you should have keep quiet if you didn't like what I said, or others.

That is just plain stupid. Very poor attempt at comedy.

Aviation-safety.net is a good site. However, I've found a large amount of military stuff is either hard to find or was never posted.

I know the Navy won't post and or publish reports for the public. Most likely the rest of the services are the same.

Hopefully, when it does get to the paint shop, it'll be painted like Qatar's colorful C-17's although I'm sure it'll come out in the usual very boring gray livery.

Don R.

Standard gray, as like the first C-17. The second C-17 in Qatar Airlines colors, is said to be used to support the Emir when he is abroad.

Couple weeks before the first one makes the paint shop. She should be going through buy off from DCMA for Final Assembly. Then the Trim Shop gets it for a week before she moves out of B1 to the paint shop.

The only way to see photos is if LM releases them. We are not allowed to take photos due to Proprietary/Security reasons. They might do some when they roll the first one out to go to the paint shop. Though they didn't do anything when she was moved into Bodymate.

We still use the wooden ones.....

That's what we use at the plant...

Wing airmen found the C-130 to be easier to maintain with the NP-2000s.

One of the pluses there is if you have an issue with blade, like the Dowty prop on the "J" all you do is change the blade, vice the old school way of changing the prop. Not that changing the "J" prop is all that hard. Take's about an hour to hang all four.

Here's a question.... Why 8 blades instead of 6 like the "J"? The answer I have heard, though, not from anyone really in the know, is that it has to do with the harmonics. A 6 blade gives off different harmonics than a 4 blade, thus all or at least some of the avionics on a aircraft with a 4 blade would have to be upgraded to work correctly with the 6 blade. But taking an 8 blade, nothing needs to be done with avionics, as an 8 blade gives off the same harmonics as a 4. Something about equal addition. IE 4, 8, 12, 3, 6, 9, etc... It does kind of make since to someone like me that don't have this type of background. BUT, there's always one of those isn't there. This would mean when they converted the C-130A's with 3 blades to 4, there would have been some avionics changes, correct? Then again, this talk I had delt with the P-3, and this avionic thing might be a mission gear type thing, and nothing to do with normal nav stuff. I really don't know, just looking for thoughts from others.

NC97, those numbers of the embargoed Herks of Libya are Lockheed serial numbers: 4515, 4518, 4523, 4525, 4536, 4538, 4540, 4541. They were set for delivery from Nov 1973 to Oct 1974...but never made it.

The F-16s, aka Coral Phoenix acft are out at Edwards...been out there since the deal went south. We've been flying them as flight test/chase planes...all had the orange/white paint schemes.

?? Deal went south in '94, the Air Farce didn't get the planes till at least 2002. The orange/white scheme is an Air Farce scheme. Not Pakistan's.

The aircraft were built between December '88 and '94. 11 (6 A's / 5' from the December '88 under Peace Gate III. Under Peace Gate IV 17 (7 A's / 10 B's) more were built and flown directly to Davis-Mothen. In '96 the US decided to try an sell them... Deals with Indoneisa, New Zealand, Philippines and the Republic of China(Taiwan), either fell through, or didn't make it to the table. They were even considered to be donated to the Air Force of the Federation of Bosnia and Hertzegovina, this didn't pan out either. In all the above scenarios Pakistan would have recieved monies from the deal to pay off the $685 million they had spent on the aircraft.

In 2002 the US decided to quit trying to sell the aircraft, and started pulling them from the bone yard, and split them evenly between the Air Farce and the Navy, to use as Aggressor Aircraft.

Though after 9/11 and the Pakistani Government becoming a major US ally in the War on Terror, it was decided to re-deliver those aircraft to Pakistan. Half of them have been delivered, also in 2005 Pakistan requested 24 Block 50/52 F-16C/D's with an option for 55.

Info from:

F-16 dot net ARTICLE

Does anyone have an update on how the NP2000 project is going?

Hamilton Sundstrand's POWERPOINT from LM's 2010 HOC, on the NP2000 & Electronic Prop Control Systems upgrade for legacy aircraft.

Though don't give real meat & potatoes, more a quick brush over at they are doing well...

Read an article the other day in the USAF web site about a LC 130 J operating at McMurdo Station Antartica but talking to the movement boys in Christchurch they have not seen any through this season. Are there any out there?:confused:

My guess is they are confused with the LC that has the NP-2000 8 bladed prop.

I thought the Pakistani F-16As were turned over to the Navy as aggressors. They eventually were allowed to purchase C-models as I recall.

The Navy started pulling the F-16A/B's in the boneyard marked for Pakistan in 2002. So my guess is they "traded in" and/or given credit for them towards the F-16C/D order they placed in 05.

DCMA doesn't have anything to do with those airplanes. The State Dept has responsibility for them. They are junk, they haven't been touched since they were moved to the current locations.

Makes since. I knew LM didn't have anything to do with them. Just happen to be at the plant. Which happens to be Government Property anyway.

You'd think that with the shortage of available non-J model C-130s for export, the State Department would release those for foreign use.

As stated in the article, they are owned by Libya, therefore making selling someone else's stuff a sticky issue I would think. \\

Though a question for DCMA(who acutally controls the aircraft, not LM). Would be why are they sitting there rotting? When This happened with Pakistan in the 80's the aircraft that were built after the sanctions went into effect were flown to Davis-Mothen and preserved. Pakistan has since received their aircraft.

source?

Air Force World Vol. 93, No. 4 April 2010

It was copied by a lot of bloggers when it came out. Here is a link:

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2010/April%202010/0410world.aspx

Another good indication would be a AFSOC tour at the Marietta plant this past week. :)

ok thanks

Yep numbers are all running together on me. LOL Been working on 5664 all week and for some reason still had 51J02 in my brain for the version. Sorry about that.

C/Ns are pretty much a worthless number to me as far as work. We use the version number instead on the floor. So sometimes they tend to run together. lol

OK, a friend of mine at Lockheed straightened me out. I was comparing the proverbial apples and oranges. The "382G-44K-30" is the Lockheed model number. The "382G-70C" is the version number.

Actually, the "C" suffix in the version number designates the H-model and "T" is the H-30. As for the commercial versions, the "B" suffix is an L-100, "E" is the L-100-20 and "G" is the L-100-30.

Another mystery solved!

As for Jansen's original question, I don't know if the version number appears on any documents after delivery. I do know it's not printed in the model specification book for 5225.

Don R.

Thanks for the info....

Turns out my theory was correct. The preproduction KC-130s have different version numbers, and the regular production KC-130Js use 72J.

5488 382U-11J 165735

5489 382U-11J 165736

5499 382U-11J 165737

5506 382U-11J 165738

5507 382U-11J 165739

5508 382U-11J 165809

5509 382U-11J 165810

5515 382U-33J 165957

5516 382U-33J 166380

5527 382U-38J 166381

5528 382U-38J 166382

5543 382U-38J 166472

5544 382U-38J 166473

5553 382U-38J 166511

5554 382U-38J 166512

5555 382U-72J 166513..and the rest are 72J.

All right. Sounds good. Thanks for clearing that up :)

New member here, hi guys.

Qatar is unlikely to use 211-214 as tail numbers. As suggested I suspect these look be the last three of the FMS FY serial and the full ones might be:

5662 09-6211

5663 09-6212

5668 09-6213

5669 09-6214

All military aircraft in Qatar use QAxx as tail numbers, the xx two digits in fixed sequential batches for each type. The C-17A Globemaster is the exception, they do have the FMS FY number small on the nose but are commonly noted as MAA and MAB, an abbreviation of civil registrations A7-MAA and A7-MAB. There is an off change the same will occur on the Qatar Super Hercules. Any more info much appreciated.

Your list is off, (unless its just pulled out of the air to be used as an example)

5663 and 64 are the first two QATAR ships.

and 5668 & 5669 are Canadian Ships. #12 and #13 for them, tail numbers 130612/613

The 09-6213 numbers look like Air Farce s/n's

Jansen,

I would agree with your explanation except for the fact that all the Hercs in Lars' book, whether it's a C-130 or an L-100, are listed as a model number 382; i.e., when I randomly pick an airframe from his book, the L-100-30 (5056) flown by Prescott is listed as a 382G-68C whille all of Taiwan's C-130H's (5058 thru 5067) are listed as 382C-69E. Of course, the A-models are listed as "182's" and the B's as "282's."

Don R.

The 382C is one model, not sure myself don't have the book with the complete breakdown, but a guess would say short "H"

The 382G is another, as Jansen pointed out the Civilian model, and quite possibly a -30, with the -20 being another letter designation 382F ???

The 382U is the short "J", for example

The 382V is the Stretched "J" for example.

The question is why on the the spec sheet the OP has states the aircraft model number is 382G-44K-30 and Lar's book has the same aircraft listed as 382G-70C. What is the 70C?? and or for that matter -68C?? -69E?? as listed by the two aircraft you posted...

The first for Dyess was 5628, so it looks like you are up to 36...

Can you confirm if the version code for Qatar is 51J or 61J?

51J.

The RNoAF's Jay birds use the LM S/N for their tail registrations.

Didn't know that.

You probably worked on 5629 and 5630 around this time last year.

Yep, those were one of the first aircraft I worked on at LM.

Though the 1st Dyess bird(5631?, can't remember how they were sitting for sure.) was the 1st aircraft for me. So I've touched 34 aircraft since I've started. Was working 5663 yesterday.

P3,

By customer S/N, do you mean the customer's tail number/registration? If you do, there are a few countries that use the MSN as the registration. France and Morocco come to mind. For what it's worth, Qatar's 2 C-17's have civil registrations A7-MAA and A7-MAB.

Don R.

Ok...

I am refering to the banner that is on the side of the fuselage as it rolls down the line.

There are 5 sets of numbers/designations on each...

LM Serial Number

Model

Version

Customer Serial Number

Tail Number

Attached is an EXAMPLE(note the word EXAMPLE, before some moron comes up trying to say that's not a banner off a Qatar aircraft)

On the Indian Banner both the tail and Serial are the same number, and in most cases it is the same.(which in case, is wrong from what they ended up being, not sure if India changed it, or the guy who makes the banner screwed the pouch)

I think in most cases, unless your Air Farce, the number is the same. (Or in Qatar's C-17, they might be different, as they have civilian tail numbers)

US Navy the numbers would be the same, as they don't use "Tail Numbers" they have what is called modex numbers which is a whole different ball of wax(more so for the tail hooks, than the big boys though)

Also note, the 211 and 212 DID NOT come from "They are the 211th and 12th "J's" produced. They are either 227/228 or 228/229 (can't remember for sure)