Jansen Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 The Qatar Emiri Air Force (QEAF) has four C-130J-30 aircraft on order. The first (5662) is now in Final Assembly, with the next (5663) coming up. No idea what the tail numbers will be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Tail Numbers are: 5662 is 211 5663 is 212 At least thats what's on the ID Banner on the side of the fuselage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCC140965 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 211 and 212 sound more likely to be part of the USAF FMS serial to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 211 and 212 sound more likely to be part of the USAF FMS serial to me? You know you could be right. I looked at the banner again tonight, and the the Serial Number(customers, not LM's) block it has 5662 & 5663. Can't say that I've seen the customer S/N being the same as the C/N. Though don't know why it couldn't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 You know you could be right. I looked at the banner again tonight, and the the Serial Number(customers, not LM's) block it has 5662 & 5663. Can't say that I've seen the customer S/N being the same as the C/N. Though don't know why it couldn't either. P3, By customer S/N, do you mean the customer's tail number/registration? If you do, there are a few countries that use the MSN as the registration. France and Morocco come to mind. For what it's worth, Qatar's 2 C-17's have civil registrations A7-MAA and A7-MAB. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 P3, By customer S/N, do you mean the customer's tail number/registration? If you do, there are a few countries that use the MSN as the registration. France and Morocco come to mind. For what it's worth, Qatar's 2 C-17's have civil registrations A7-MAA and A7-MAB. Don R. Ok... I am refering to the banner that is on the side of the fuselage as it rolls down the line. There are 5 sets of numbers/designations on each... LM Serial Number Model Version Customer Serial Number Tail Number Attached is an EXAMPLE(note the word EXAMPLE, before some moron comes up trying to say that's not a banner off a Qatar aircraft) On the Indian Banner both the tail and Serial are the same number, and in most cases it is the same.(which in case, is wrong from what they ended up being, not sure if India changed it, or the guy who makes the banner screwed the pouch) I think in most cases, unless your Air Farce, the number is the same. (Or in Qatar's C-17, they might be different, as they have civilian tail numbers) US Navy the numbers would be the same, as they don't use "Tail Numbers" they have what is called modex numbers which is a whole different ball of wax(more so for the tail hooks, than the big boys though) Also note, the 211 and 212 DID NOT come from "They are the 211th and 12th "J's" produced. They are either 227/228 or 228/229 (can't remember for sure) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 You know you could be right. I looked at the banner again tonight, and the the Serial Number(customers, not LM's) block it has 5662 & 5663. Can't say that I've seen the customer S/N being the same as the C/N. Though don't know why it couldn't either. The RNoAF's Jay birds use the LM S/N for their tail registrations. You probably worked on 5629 and 5630 around this time last year. They are either 227/228 or 228/229 (can't remember for sure) They are 228 and 229. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 The RNoAF's Jay birds use the LM S/N for their tail registrations. Didn't know that. You probably worked on 5629 and 5630 around this time last year. Yep, those were one of the first aircraft I worked on at LM. Though the 1st Dyess bird(5631?, can't remember how they were sitting for sure.) was the 1st aircraft for me. So I've touched 34 aircraft since I've started. Was working 5663 yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 The first for Dyess was 5628, so it looks like you are up to 36... Can you confirm if the version code for Qatar is 51J or 61J? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 The first for Dyess was 5628, so it looks like you are up to 36... Can you confirm if the version code for Qatar is 51J or 61J? 51J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 I have confirmation that the LM serial numbers and customer serials for Qatar are the same. Here are the assigned tail registrations: MSN Tail 5662 211 5663 212 5668 213 5669 214 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mich Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 New member here, hi guys. Qatar is unlikely to use 211-214 as tail numbers. As suggested I suspect these look be the last three of the FMS FY serial and the full ones might be: 5662 09-6211 5663 09-6212 5668 09-6213 5669 09-6214 All military aircraft in Qatar use QAxx as tail numbers, the xx two digits in fixed sequential batches for each type. The C-17A Globemaster is the exception, they do have the FMS FY number small on the nose but are commonly noted as MAA and MAB, an abbreviation of civil registrations A7-MAA and A7-MAB. There is an off change the same will occur on the Qatar Super Hercules. Any more info much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 Qatar is unlikely to use 211-214 as tail numbers. As suggested I suspect these look be the last three of the FMS FY serial and the full ones might be: 5662 09-6211 5663 09-6212 5668 09-6213 5669 09-6214 All military aircraft in Qatar use QAxx as tail numbers, the xx two digits in fixed sequential batches for each type. The C-17A Globemaster is the exception, they do have the FMS FY number small on the nose but are commonly noted as MAA and MAB, an abbreviation of civil registrations A7-MAA and A7-MAB. There is an off change the same will occur on the Qatar Super Hercules. Any more info much appreciated. The information I have comes from LM, and we have heard from a guy on the line that confirms it. We all know that registrations change; KC-3801 was originally K3801 on paper. The numbers you have suggested have already been assigned to MC-130J frames. 211 will come out of paint in about a month and I am sure we will have pictures to confirm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mich Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Thanks for the feedback. The new MC-130Js I see as: 5656 09-6207 5657 09-6208 5658 09-6209 5659 09-6210 5694 08-6204 5695 08-6205 5696 08-6206 5697 TBD and 5717, 5718, 5719, 5720 and more. Are these FY serials (still) correct? If you can share the MC-130J allocations you know we might learn more (and look at the open batches). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 Maybe you should ask in the MC-130J thread: http://herkybirds.com/showthread.php?2316-MC-130J-in-production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 The Qatar order is through DCS rather than FMS. Ergo there shouldn't be any FMS numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mich Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I see your point but typically aircraft acquired through US DCS sales / acquisitions will have FY serials allocated anyway. They may not be named FMS numbers in that case but they appear in the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 You are referring to the AFxx-xxxx format numbers, which haven't been used on the Jay birds for export. The customer serial number is used instead. The only exception I can recall is the order for the RNoAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mich Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) yup: 08-5601 5601 Norwegian AF as 5601 "Frigg" 09-5607 5607 Norwegian AF as 5607 "Idunn" 10-5629 5629 Norwegian AF as 5629 "Siv" 10-5630 5630 Norwegian AF as 5630 "Nanna" Qatar could be an exeption but I find that hard to believe, 211-214 must be based on something.... Edited February 25, 2011 by Mich typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 New member here, hi guys. Qatar is unlikely to use 211-214 as tail numbers. As suggested I suspect these look be the last three of the FMS FY serial and the full ones might be: 5662 09-6211 5663 09-6212 5668 09-6213 5669 09-6214 All military aircraft in Qatar use QAxx as tail numbers, the xx two digits in fixed sequential batches for each type. The C-17A Globemaster is the exception, they do have the FMS FY number small on the nose but are commonly noted as MAA and MAB, an abbreviation of civil registrations A7-MAA and A7-MAB. There is an off change the same will occur on the Qatar Super Hercules. Any more info much appreciated. Your list is off, (unless its just pulled out of the air to be used as an example) 5663 and 64 are the first two QATAR ships. and 5668 & 5669 are Canadian Ships. #12 and #13 for them, tail numbers 130612/613 The 09-6213 numbers look like Air Farce s/n's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mich Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 The 09-6213 numbers are made up be me and (FMS or DSC) FY serial numbers. If 5668 and 5669 are Canada, please provide the LMTAS numbers for the second pair Qatar birds (5664 &5665??) if you have them, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jansen Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 The MSNs are correct; P3_Super_Bee just got off his shift at the plant and I suspect he was tired. 5662 211 5663 212 5664 130610 5665 130611 5666 130612 5667 130613 5668 213 5669 214 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mich Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 ok thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 ok thanks Yep numbers are all running together on me. LOL Been working on 5664 all week and for some reason still had 51J02 in my brain for the version. Sorry about that. C/Ns are pretty much a worthless number to me as far as work. We use the version number instead on the floor. So sometimes they tend to run together. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mich Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Nice one, let's hope the Qatari won't end up with a Sargent Fletcher under the wings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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