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I miss the old days when RAFB only had one exchange

Can any one explain the difference in rough or unprepared fields for these two aircraft. Having some britt leading the push that the A400 can operate in worse field conditions than the C130 and C17.

If I recall when we got the A models where we were shown a C130 operating in a soft field and they were so close to the ground level the doors were ploughing the field.

Thanks

Col

Hello all, 1st time posting. Anyways, today my AMU ncoic called the crew chief functional and asked if the functional could help me out and get back to a 130 unit, right now i'm in a en-route unit and would love to be back in a herc squadron. It was a short conversation between the two but what he got out of it was if i "wanted" to go back to a 130 squadron, i should have Cheyenne (sp), Keesler, Peterson and Pope. because they are building up alot of the res bases. So my question to all of you is how are these bases?

My dream sheet is Peterson, Keelser, Cheyenne, Cannon and DM. I was station at DM for 4 years before my en-route tour so i just need info on the rest. I know Keesler is where the "Hurricane Hunters" are and Cannon has Talons but i guess what i'm asking for is how are those cities to live in? Any info would be great as my wife and I are already looking at houses at all 4 bases. We leave in Nov and can guess Cheyenne and Peterson will have snow by then but i dont think Cannon or Keesler get snow.

Sorry for a long post. Thanks

Joe

Oh, and stay the hell away from Cannon.

How many H2.5's were built?

I had a list once upon a time but I can't find it.

I thought I remembered there were only 20.

12 originally at Louisville 91-1231 to 39 91-1651 to 53

8 at Mansfield 90-1791 to 1798

Maybe some at Youngstown?

Thanks

Bob

Found this Acft parked at KCEW on the genreal aviation ramp

Looks like a Yakota bird got to CEW on time, for a change ...

Don,

Read about LAIRCM here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/laircm.htm

The fairings are on each side between the paratroop doors and the stab (about where the "stars and bars" are). There are also some added "horns" over the cockpit and beaver tail.

Found these photos using The Google:

http://www.440aw.afrc.af.mil/photos/mediagallery.asp?galleryID=692

LAIRCM is on their 5th PM since Cappelano retired.

Where will they go?

I suspect the non LAIRCM birds go to AETC and the LAIRCM birds to an AMC Sq at the Rock.

I read this earlier today. It's a bit confusing. By "precision strike package" do they mean like the Marine KC-130Js, with the adaptable Hellfire racks? Or are they talking about popping out the side escape hatches to put guns in?

Cross deck the Dragon Spear package a possiblity?

Last I heard about 2 months ago, 6 WC130H's and 5 remaining H2's

Bob

BTW, the other Nashville bird you mentioned earlier is a Whiskey

On the Guard side, The H2's started with 78-0208 and continued thru 90-1058 The digital fuel gauges, started with 84-208 (Delaware) Rosemont Pitot system With Texas 86-1361 , along with oil cooler augmentation.

Mansfield tails are 90-1791 thru 90-1798. Louisville recieved 12 acft starting with 91-1231.

Mansfield and Louisville are H-2.5 acft.

Now since the Brac crap some have been shifted around.

Cheyenne Has the first H-3's then Charlotte, then Martinsburg of which 8 have gone to Charlie West, including the first 4 3.5's

The last H-3.5's went to Minneapolis.

RZ Hill

I spent some time as a radar tech rep at the McDonnel-Douglas facility there at Lambert Field back in the late 1960s, when the F-4s were in production there. Don't know for sure about the old fuselage that you refer to, but it could be their first article stress airframe, or possibly one that returned to the factory for repair and was determined to be beyond economical repair.

When I was there in 1969, I was associated with the RF-4C, both the AF and Marine (Navy) reconnaissance versions. They were also delivering D models, E's, J's, K's, and M's (the K's and M's were for the Brits), and they were flight testing one specially modified for boundry layer control.

that had F-4s before they converted to F-15s

I went out to California for the QOT&E flight testing of the APQ175, and that Ka picture was unbelievable. It painted a great picture of the plowed fields below us, right along with all the irrigation piping, and just about everything else.

It's amazing what 70kW at 32GHz will do.

RADAR troops do it with higher frequency.

Just a higher frequency to jam ...

:cool::)

I've hear of another possible breach is in the offing.

AMP isn't the only program to suffer from a lack of knowledge of a system, for whaterver reason, by AFOTEC, especially the Edwards dets. To be sure there are many good people in AFOTEC and I've worked with several over the years but the ingnorance of some is breath taking.

The requirements that drove the need for AMP haven't gone away. The merits of particular portions of the solution under test can be discussed but the validity of the need or the solution cannot IMO.

Heard the rumors at least annually since I've been involved.

One problem is that decision-makers are being fed "opinions" about the system from people who are supposed to be objectively evaluating the system against contract requirements, not what it is they THINK the airplane should do. These same folks don't take the time or want to exert the effort to learn how to operate the airplane effectively, but don't waste any time bashing it! There's one AMC TES person who'd rather live his days out in an old E-model than to accept the technological advances this system provides, this bias is evident in everything he says & reports. Luckily, I think his credibility has been lost at AMC...I hope.

Hell, the former AFOTEC commander in charge of the C-130 evaluation section gave up trying to learn the AMP altogether! This person just went TDY to get their flying & checkrides done. What an example to the rest of the unit, huh?

The lack of big-picture thinking from these folks is really having it's effects on the AMP, which I'm sorry to say.

I am biased, yes. I can see the clear advantages this system will bring to the fleet. I also see the stubborness of the folks who are stuck in the dark ages...they will fight progress 'til the end.

My two cents.

If you're asking about LAIRCM, I think about half of the H-model fleet has been modded. I believe NY and WY ANG are the only units that have airplanes with the 8-bladed props.

Approaching 175 MAF aircraft

With all the problems that the AC-130U +4 program had with the testing of the 30mm bushmaster gun (rumored), why does the USMC think it will work in their K/AC-130J concept????????

Engine Mike

With USSOCOM/AFSOC losing its AC-27/JCA, I wonder what else is on the chopping block. It seems everytime you turn around something else is losing funding.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/05/airforce_JCA_socom_050109/

Just curious, I saw an article about the first J for Ramstein. It said that Ramstein will receive 14 J models over the next 12 months. Then Lockheed is going to start deliveries to Dyess. There have been recent stories about the H models at Dyess getting new wings. 3 or 4 have already been replaced. What are they going to do with the H's? It seems like they would replace the E's at LRF before they replaced the H's at Dyess with new wings? Maybe they are sending the H's to LRF?

Bob

Yes...but I was alluding to the difference between DIRCM & LAIRCM...perhaps "how" the "light" is made would've been better.

We were refering to the same thing - the laser is a small, dense package ...

The turret had the laser path in it from the start, awaiting the technology.

AFSOC did the original development.

here's a pic of the sensor in question I believe

http://herkybirds.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=4221&c=76

AWADS was/is the Adverse Weather Aerial Delivery System. Easiest way to tell an old AWADS bird was the nipple on the radome that sprayed the anti-ice chemical whose name escapes me. Most of these planes were already grounded by the time I got to Pope in 05 so my knowledge is not too extensive.

Hope the pic helps.

(old) ALQ-157 IR Jammer (Loral)

Snowstorm was an a different mod

Tiny,

I remember a few of the words in one of Joe Shelton's songs, something about "TFR and a good pitch bar...."

Were you there about the same time?

John

I haven't crawled around a Talon in seven years, need to schedule a trip up to Duke ...

And what makes the "light"

10# of very dense electronics and optics ....;)

Hi-

I am curious about the location of a DIRCM pod on a Herc. The phrase "DIRCM" here could be used in the generic form. I think DIRCM is easily confused with LAIRCM (which began testing on C-130's in 2004)

I read on Global Security -dot- Org (dated 2005) that there are 59 C-130's in USSOCOM that have this thing on it. I found an image of tail 69-6574 here:

http://www.herkynoseart.com/images/6574_gunship_3.jpg

I am 90% certain this image shows a DIRCM pod, but can anyone confirm?

Thanks,

Smudge

Further, the forward Sensors installations are the same between DIRCM and LAIRCM.

The aft sensors on slic C-130 LAIRCM aircraft are the same as the MC-130H aft sensor installation.

The big difference?

DIRCM is an AC system and LAIRCM is a DC system (and a heck of a lot lighter - ~400#).

Just for kicks I would have liked to see how they did that. How many crains, what was the removal of inside equipment etc.

Muff

If memory serves, 3 cranes

a crane each fwd and aft with slings and the 3rd to flip it. Somewhere deep in a moving box I have pictures of a flip

Typically when airplanes are mounted this way, they are testing for:

1. Visual Observability

2. Radar Signature

3. Infrared Signature

Don't have a clue where this was taking place, so I could be all wrong on this.....

John

Spent way too much time there me for CTII, AC-130H and DIRCM testing

Hey, Skip. I was on the lakebed with Mr. Fulton for one of the pickups. It was awesome. I was the scheduler for the 6518th, back then. I retired from the 418th in 2005.

Stoney

I thought Harrisburg had the Scout mission with their older models...those planes already have the "stuff" required.

Seems short-sighted to de-mod from Combat Talon config...

HAd to accomplish an EMI test with it installed for a mod