Roy

Some information here.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/NTSB_accident_summary_for_N135FF

"This is so fascinating because of the many lovely ladies who became mothers, in large part, due to exhaustive efforts of Trash-Haulers!"

So true, or so I am told anyway. So to speak.

It's been a long time and I may be wrong but it seems that in 1982 the 774th was on rote to Mildenhall and lost one of their airplanes in Turkey. DC10FE could probably give more specifics, but I believe this was the one that had a problem with engine mounts or bolts. If I remember the briefing correctly the engine was twisting around in the mounts quite severely. The prop finally came off and went up over the wing causing enough damage that the wing came off. At that point the other wing also departed.

I sure feel like it some days. I know I couldn't keep up with any of the young crewdogs today.

Dalby was listed on the flight orders as a flight examiner pilot. I had flown with him several times when I was assigned to Rhein Main and always thought him to be a good pilot. Just shows, to me at least, that any of us can have a bad day.

Don, could it be that you sound like one because you are one? I know I sure fit the description.

Yes he was. Kind of a "golden boy" I think.

I often thought he was pushing too hard because it was the first mission of their ORI and he wanted to do good. Didn't turn out that way.

The term "hard landing" does not describe it very well. The pilot tried to save a bad approach, ran out of airspeed, altitude and ideas all at the same time and slammed into the ground on the right rear wheel. The right side landing gear gave away. Then we slammed down on the nose gear and it folded under as we slid down the runway. The number 4 prop was still spinning, hitting the concrete, and breaking off pieces and throwing them through the right side of the airplane. One of the ORI inspectors in the back got a skull fracture from something flying around and one loadmaster got hurt, but not bad.

I didn't think the airplane was ferried anywhere since we tore the belly structure out of it and messed up the right wing pretty good. I do know Marietta used it to fix 539.

Could all have been avoided by a missed approach and go-around. Bad deal all around.

Check into Benefits Delivery at Discharge. I'm not sure how it will work for you since you are actually doing all the processing overseas. At worst, you would have to wait until you get back to Little Rock.

That's when your retirement fund has become so thin that you can see thru it. Another "favorite" word in Washington these days.

Don R.,

Orsini's! Yeah that's it. The thing that really stuck with me (in more ways than one) was the amaretto ice cream cake. That stuff was great.

I always had a good time at Aviano, even when we were doing the ORI's or practices there.

Don R.,

Did you ever make the Souda Bay run from Rhein Main? I did a couple and thought they were pretty good. A bit of a long day but the evening parade down at the waterfront was pretty good scenery.

I was trying to remember the name of the restaurant up in the hills at Aviano that everyone wanted to go to for lunch. I only got to try it one time but it sure was good.

While I was not in E Flight, I do have some orders from the 21st with my name near the bottom and that of a young A1C Jonathan R. Andrews near the top. Been a long time Jon.

I wonder which of those most astute wing guys you were referring to above?

I personally don\'t see what the big hoopla is about. I really don\'t care what gender the crewmembers are, as long as they can do the job. And apparently, that is happening.

Look again George, the drivers are wearing shoulder holsters.

SEFEGeorge wrote:

Hmmm.... Four crewmembers armed and none are the drivers.

Could a hell of a trip if all 6 got to \"that time of the month\" at the same time. Good thing that it wasn\'t a gunship, cause watch out on the ground....

Another aviation term gone awry. Gives a whole new meaning to the term cockpit. :silly:

So did they move the reference point? Otherwise, with a 100\" forward plug it would be 587.4\" to LEMAC.

loadsmith wrote:

MAC 164.5 INCHES: LEMAC 687.4 \"J Model -30\"

MAC 164.5 INCHES: LEMAC 487.4 \"J model short\"

These are the numbers right from my -9...hope this helps

Don,

Who better to take the shot than someone you know?

I have a couple of objections to your responses.

First, the loadmasters I worked with never worried about the music.

Second, I\'ve been to some of the same Sullivan soirees that you attended and I don\'t recall much that could be called classy.

Hijack complete.

Don,

Care to tell us how you know so much about cheap porn movie music? :laugh:

Roy

\"the crew chief told me they had been spraying agent orange\"

Doc,

It is most likely that the airplane in question was one of the mosquito spray birds based at Langley.

I think you were being led astray by whoever you talked to that day. Or perhaps you misinterpreted what you heard.

Those airplanes may well have been used in Viet Nam as AO spray birds but there are no records I can find that indicate they were spraying AO in the U.S during the time you indicate.

I personally would not hold out any hope for gaining a VA rating based on this story.

Doc,

What exactly are you working on? Sounds like it may be a hard task.

According to Airbus the prop is approximately 17.39 ft in diameter. It is a Ratier-Figeac FH386 propeller.

The engine, again according to Airbus, is a TP400-D6 built by EuroProp International (EPI), a European joint venture company consisting of Rolls-Royce, Snecma Moteurs, MTU Aero Engines and Industria deTurbopropulsores (ITP).

Interesting idea but as Herkman said it is so far behind schedule, like a lot of Airbus designs, that customers are becoming concerned.

stoney wrote:

Jumper was a C-7 Caribou pilot in Viet Nam.

Stoney

Yeah, for one year and then a fighter puke for the rest of his flying career

Actually, the 1st SOW intel guys had to back down. They made an error when they searched the domain name for TogetherWeServed.com and got an erroneous hit.

If you check back issues of Air Force Times and Stars and Stripes you will find stories about the whole thing.

But then again it was intel after all.

Good to see them back on duty.

US Herk,

My sentiments exactly.