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I think the site was down 3 or 4 of them. (At least I couldn't get to it...)

I'm with GVS. Square windows = C-118

Another tip, and its just that a "tip" LOL, is look at the rudder tip caps on both aircraft. The C-118 is more "squared off" at the aft end as is the aircraft in the video. The C-54's tip cap is rounded on the aft end...

C-54 PICTURE

C-118 PICTURE

A Screen Capture of the aircraft in the video

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I was reading in the air force times we were going to have 13 pay days in 2011 because they were going to change the date we are going to get payed in 2012.

The pay date actually changes for the October 2011 pay date, not in 2012.

Air Farce Times = National Enquirer

From the Horses mouth. DFAS PAY DATE CHANGE

The down and dirty...

The payment IAW the 2011 National Defense Authorization Act requires DFAS to process pay prior to the first day of the month, and if that day falls on a weekend or national holiday, the pay date is moved to the previous business day.

This means what was the Oct 3 pay date will be issued on 30 September 2011. The 03 Jan 12 pay date will be on 30 December 2011. So you are getting the first payment of 2012 in 2011 so that bumps payments from 12 to 13. How you still will get 12 payments in 2012 is the last payment in December 2012 will actually be the January 2013 payment.

You could not fly within 10000 ft of Australia or any place that they were TDY without getting tagged with a Kangroo.

Muff

Couldn't get withing 10000 ft of an Australian period, didn't even have to be anywhere close to Down Under. When I was in Executive Transport, we brought the Admiral's plane back from reqork (brand new paint job) Landed in Hawaii around 1800, pulled the plane into the hangar(if you could call it that, more of a carport) Came in the next morning at 0800, and there was a giant orange tiger paw painted on the gloss black forward radome. We were like "Damn Australian's", Then the first person went up to go out on the wing for something, and those damn tiger paws went from the escape hatch all the way to the wing tip on both wings. 20 minutes later, there were about 10 Aussie's all over the plane cleaning that shit off. LOL

Hell we went to Australia once with the Admiral. Needed a tire change. They said they would hook us up and change it. Our dust caps that covered the wheel retaining nut were chrome plated. Came in the next morning and had a giant screwdriver X on the cap. About a month later, in Hawaii we recieved a compete set of chrome dust caps for an aircraft for all their troubles LOL

I think I remember The max prodution rate was 2 per week in the 60's.

Bob

My uncle was a F/E during Nam, He asked when I started here if we still had the large flight line full of Herc's. Said he came in here to pick up a new one, and he said his crew got to chose between something like 10 aircraft. The Plane Commander, picked a plane, Lockheed pulled it out of its spot, they did pre-flight and hit the skies. Lockheed told them if during their pre-flight if they found anything wrong with the aircraft let them know, and they could pick out another.

130611 is in service and will be at the Abbotsford Air Show this weekend. Don't have a delivery date, but it was within the last couple of weeks.

Been a crazy summer. Can't remember if its June, July, August, or July, August & September(wanna say the former) schedule had us putting 5 aircraft over the fence a month... :)

Sam, did I get the "first pressurized passenger airplane" correct?

Don R.

That and the part about the F/E is correct.

Unless BOEING is incorrect in stating the 307 is the first aircraft with a Flight Engineer.

Seems to have been in several liveries over time but reg number is same...

As Bob's CIC

AIR LAOS

AIGLE AZUR

AIRNAUTIC

TRANS WORLD AIRWAYS <Though here as N1940

Some worthless trivia...

As per AIR AND SPACE dot com F-BELU was built for TWA and was originally registered as N1940, and was sold in '51 to Aigle Azur. Registered as XW-TFP it crashed in '75 near the Mekong River operated by Royal Air Lao

have you seen the stuff about I think it was the Supreme court declarin' the Stolen Valor act unconstitutional, because it violated free speech????? What am missin'????????????

Giz ( I think)

Some Federal Judge in Colorado made the ruling, the Liberal Jackasses better know as the 9th Circuit Court upheld the ruling, and today it was filed with the Supreme Court.

-Down in dirty reason for it being declared unconstitutional?

From the 9th Circuit Court's ruling:

“then there would be no constitutional bar to criminalizing lying about one’s height, weight, age, or financial status on Match.com or Facebook, or falsely representing to one’s mother that one does not smoke, drink alcoholic beverages, is a virgin, or has not exceeded the speed limit while driving on the freeway.

There are several other companies (besides the pseudo-commercials) operating Hercs. These include the one for which I fly as loadmaster, International Air Response.

Right you are. I just brain farted Lynden.(Hate to admit, but I should have never did this. Before I jacked my MS Flight Sim up, I flew the crap out of a Lynden Herc in Alaska all the time lol) The white with blue stripe watching a CIA show sent brain waves straight to Tepper. LOL

Duh.... I should have known. It does look like a Lynden paint scheme in blue and white, instead of the yellow green white.

P3,

With the exception of the white vertical stripes on the vertical stab, it sounds like you're describing Tepper Aviation's N4557C (5027).

As for the plywood flooring, before Transafrik acquired roller systems for their Hercs, everything was floor loaded. The cargo floors were covered with plywood sheets with cutouts for the tiedown rings. Lots of Herc operators do that if they don't have rollers.

Don R.

Good info on the plywood flooring, thanks.

Maybe it was Tepper I was thinking about when I decribed the Navy Blue tail.. I was wrong. Looked at the episode again today. It's a white tail. Managed to get some screenies.

Did anyone happen to catch the last episode of "Covert Affairs"??? If the name don't ring a bell. It's a Summer Series on the USA Network. Plot and such don't really mater here. In the episode "Half Way Around the World" There is a C-130. The glaring error I seen was the CIA agent "snuck" on the aircraft via the Nose Wheel Well. Guy was a tad big to fit through the NLG window, not to mention all the crap right there. Any way It was a civilian painted C-130. White with Navy blue stripe The vertical was navy blue with with thing white vertical stripes(maybe 6 or 7) at the bottom of the vertical. Anybody have any idea who it was? Only thing that comes to mind are those "cover" companies that supposedly fly for the CIA, though I don't really think, they would use one of those for a CIA type fictional show...

There was a fight sceen within the cargo area. It looked like they had laid down plywood on the cargo floor, No not for the video shoot. There were cut outs in the plywood for the straps & rings. My question is, do you do this? I know in the "cargo area" in the P-3 we could, and did have a inch think piece of plywood laid down over the normal floorboard(honeycomb type) For us the plywood did two things. Gave a layer of protection for the normal floorboard, and two allowed us to be able to load and additional 500 lbs in the area. I really don't see this need in a Herc, but maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks.

Incidentally, 5677 #168072 is the 46th KC-130J and the last for the active duty USMC. It will be the 2400th Herk to be built (LM doesn't count the prototypes), and should be going into paint in the next couple of weeks.

5681 will be tail #08-6202, confirmed MC-130J. However, I have 5682 #08-6203 as the 36th delivery.

Everyone here keeps saying 5681 as the 36th. So who knows. I think they make shit up as they goes when it comes to this stuff...

Another thing LM likes to do is change up the wording... Back when the first two 73J's roled down the line... The first one was labeled as the 199th "J" Built and the second as the "J" 200th built. But then when it came time for the rollout the 1st one was the "200th" J to be delievered.

If the engines could be upgraded for a nominal fee while the airplane is at PDM or the engines are at WRAFB for maintenance I think that would be a great help. Especially if there is a very favorable reduction in fuel consumption. Problem is, how do you get the performance data etc. required to update the manuals and such?

I imagine the data could be handled in the same fashion as was implemented when the 'E' models transitioned from -7 engines to -15 engines. For a while there was a mix among the fleets but it all worked out.

John

And the same way they did when they went from -10's on P-3A's to -14's... That's probably the least of the worries for the swap.

C/N:5681 73J08 is slated to be aircraft #36 over the fence for this year. She has made it to Body Mate in Final Assembly.

Not sure where she will end up or a tail number, as there is no ID sticker on the fuselage(Being a 73J, she is an HC/MC bird, most likely a MC as the other two in line with her are MC's).

Not sure if it was removed because of a line shuffle / destination shuffle, or simply a squawk was discovered in the area, and the sticker was removed to allow repair of the squawk.

I too would find it an absolute thrill to go back over those maint. forms. I've asked around a little, but no one seems top think that those old ones back in the early 60s are to be found.

In the Navy prior to computer's taking over the world, forms lasted 10 flights in the Aircraft Discrepancy Book and then went to the trash can... After the computer take-over, it was 6 months in a computer file back-up. With the new system implemented in the last 5 years or so, I think it's held for 3 years in a back-up. < Read, not really accessible to masses in the Military, let alone public.

thank you for the info,, maybe same MSDS for PR 870 B2

HAZARD dot com MSDS Search

MEK is actually in the sealant...

Here is a MSDS for PR-1422B2

From the Ecological section:

Ecological: NOTICE: THERE ARE NO DATA AVAILABLE ON THE PRODUCT ITSELF. CLEAN

AIR ACT - HAZARDOUS AIR POLLUTANTS (CAA SECTION 112): THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS

THE FOLLOWING CHEMICALS REGULATED UNDER SECTION 112 FOR NAT IONAL EMISSION

STANDARDS OF HAZARDOUS AIR POLLUTANTS NOTIFICATION. FORMALDEHYDE, METHYL

ETHYL KETONE, TOLUENE, PHENOL.

Looks to me like it is CNA-OQ, 4892 C130H.

I'll second that...

Sounds like maybe a weight issue, along with the ground having a ever so slight incline that might not have been noticable, but with the weight the aircraft noticed... My 2 dong's worth anyway. :)

Thanks for all the info again.

A diagonal represents a discrepancy ( crab) in navy speak

Never heard of a "Crab", we called 'em "gripes" or "MAFs" (pronounce as an Acronym) not M-A-F) Then it was either Up or Down

Then here at LM discrepancies are called Squawks.

Terminology is crazy... Hell You can go from the east coast to the west coast in the Navy or say P-3's to F/A-18's and some of the terms change meanings..

We did refer to civilians working on base as "Sandcrabs" but you could call me that as well. My car(Infiniti) has more time on a boat than me :)

Ok, now what is a "Diagonal"? "Red X"??

And thanks on all the previous replies. I am learning something new. And makes easier to read the boards for me LOL

Navy has a 25% rule. Though like yours it seems to be buried in some off the wall general maintenance manual no one can seem to remember which one. I have read the paragraph relating to it, but couldn't tell you for the life of me what freekin' book its in. LOL, not that it would do you any good since your Air Force. But here along with the rest, a little common sense. None on the leading edge, or on the corners to be missing, Depending on the panel, I'd probably want one fastner each way from the corner faster install too. Also if the panel only has 4 fasteners the 25% rule would probably be out of the question.

I was an All Systems QAR on the P-3. QAR?? You ask? Well don't want to hijack because I'm wondering what the hell a Level 7 is myself so asked the question HERE

OK as you know, by real world experience is the P-3 Orion, and work Final Assembly on the "J" model at LM... So I'm Navy, and my grasp of the Air Force way of doing things is a tad off. LOL Any way

In this THREAD the question of missing camlocs is the topic. Several references were to a LEVEL 7 making the call.

What in the world is a Level 7??? My guess it would be the same as a QAR in the Navy. Can someone explain the types of inspectors the Air Force has???

In the Navy there are 3 different types of inspectors, they are as follows:

CDI (Collateral Duty Inspector) Normal E-5 / E-6 (and a few shit hot E-4's) These guys/gals worked in the shop, turned wrenches like every one else but did routine type, non Safe For Flight inspections.)

CDQAR(Collateral Duty Quality Assurance Rep) E-5 / E-6(normally the shift supervisor). These guys were just like CDI's but had the authority to sign Safe For Flight Inspections. These by the book are temporary billets. IE Your running 3 shifts you only have 2 QAR's(more on this later) so the shift without the QAR would have the CDQAR, or if you have one shift and the QAR for your shop went on leave, someone in the shop would be designated a CDQAR until the QAR returned.

QAR (Quality Assurance Rep) These were E-6(Sometimes a shit hot E-5) that worked in QA, with the normal job of perfoming audits, monitoring maintenance programs, ensuring all maintenance was being done by the book, etc, with the obviously authority to sign Safe For Flight Inspections.

Here normally if you were an Airframer, you would be an Airframes QAR, a Mech would be a Mech QAR. Some commands had a few "All Systems" QAR's These folks were qualified to sign Safe For Flight Inspections for any shop.

Also note with all inspectors listed above, it should be common sense, but will toss it out there, you were not permitted to Inspect your own work.

In my last two commands I was qualified as an "All Systems" QAR as well as being qual'ed as a "Safe For Flight" (I could release aircraft safe for flight) Should go without being said, say if I inspected aircraft "A" replacement of an Aileron, I would not be releasing the Aircraft Safe For Flight on its FCF. Just a little info on the Navy way.

Thanks