P3_Super_Bee

Any reason why this plane is designated an HC-130J and not an HC-130N or P or something else. Why does it retain the J designation. I'm sure there's a reason for not giving it a new letter. Will everything built on the J airframe keep the J letter at the end?

How many HC-130N's or P's you see running around with glass cockpits, FADEC engines, and 6 bladed props, as well as a host of other things the N/Ps don't have.

Because the "J" is a "J" and nothing else. Nothing has changed on the aircraft to change the "J" designation. Only mission set-up has changed thus, C-130J to HC-130J or MC-130J. Later on down the road when the "J's" start getting major upgrades to mission suites then the "J" designation might change.

Take the EP-3... The first ones were EP-3A's base on you guessed it P-3A's, then came EP-3B, base on once again you are correct P-3B's..... The EP-3E was also base upon the P-3A, BUT, it was the 5th version of the EP... but you ask why are there no EP-3C's(Japan has them, but they don't count they are on their own program), or EP-3D's? Because they're are, but exist only on paper. Now you might ask, but there are EP-3E's also based on the P-3C... The Alpha "echos" are ARIES aircraft, and the Charlie "Echos" are ARIES II. And here ARIES gets capitalized because its an acronym for "Airborne Reconnaissance Integrated Electronic System"

Despite the aircraft's age and even though it was heavily flown, tail 9813 was able to achieve a milestone in the maintenance arena by earning a "black letter initial" in 2007. The aircraft went with no open maintenance issues that entire year and was rated a perfect aircraft; ready for flight.

Can someone explain this BS to me?

Where did it end up?

Bob

Tail 9813 will now join more than 4,000 other aircraft at the aerospace maintenance and regeneration center, otherwise known as "the boneyard," at Davis Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz.

Indian C-130J will have the probe or ARPUS as its called. As seen on UK and Italian J's.

Yep, that's what I heard tonight from someone. 50J01 isn't far enough along to have any plumbing installed yet(at least from what I could tell from looking up through the crew door.)

-India C-130J- Probably will have a probe

Have to look.

There was a guy the other day doing a walk around with someone and she asked him about UARRSI on the HC/MC's. He pointed out were it was to her, and said something about the Indian Herc. Can't remember what he said about it though, I was just walking by. The First Indian "J" is in bodymate so if I remember, I walk down and take a look tonight. I would think they would have something. They supposedly have been bought for Spec Ops, not the standard trash hauling mission.

I've never understood why the US military FE's are not allowed to set power on takeoff & cruise. It certainly allows the pilots to concentrate more on the flying of the airplane.

Don R.

P-3 F/E's do.

We with -14's only use TIT call outs.

Two questions guys:

1. Whst is the difference between L100 aircraft, and L382;

Thanx in advance

PJ

To answer the question, nothing they are one in the same...

The breakdown...

L82 is the basic model number for all C130/variants, but they also have expanded model numbers as well...(Not all Lockheed aircraft have the expanded numbers, IE the P3)

The expanded model numbers...

L182 - all Alpha's, and mission specific varants

L282 - all Bravo's and varants

L382 - all C130E's / L100's and later aircraft, including the stretches.

Lockheed started a version number as well, not sure if it was at the start of the Jaybirds, before or after, but they are used on the F/A-22 as well. Though not sure if anyone will see/know these other than those in the plant won't waste time typing those.

C130, C130-30, L100-20, L100-30 is what is called the aircraft type.

Other examples of Lockheed Model numbers are

L22 = P38 Lightning

L85 = P3 Orion

L88 = L188 Electra

L93 = L1011 Tristar

L645 = F/A22 Raptor

WTF................I was on this morning at 05:40 EST and saw the pic's of the Polish Herk mishap and now they are gone! I've been telling every interested party about it all day and now they are deleted. What's up? It's not that big of a deal, but then again it's damn important to the crew's of all nation's that fly our bird. WHAT IS GOING ON?

Kurt

Take a chill pill... Geez.... Do you not look at the whole forum?

They are HERE as well as the original post.

Why are the prop tips flat, or squared off. Anything is writing that 'splains it?

Being a P-3 guy, with ours rounded was splained to me that P-3's had "speed props" and Herk's had "Power Props" Now how that works out, I don't know, me not a design engineer...

Quick search shows that... from over at PPRUNE

Squared tips produce more thrust at low speeds.

Do you live near a C-130 base. I would not trade the sounds for anything. Still when the wind is right, I can her purr during engine runs at night. I think it was Haggard that said something like "even the bad times are good". I say even the bad times WERE good. What I wouldn't give!!

HighTide

"Wayne"

I missed the sound of the T-56 after retiring from the Navy... Now working at Lockheed so get to hear the Herks at Dobbins, as well as the "J" models in flight test.... Too bad the new Rolls Royce and the 6 blade don't have that "sound" :(

We use to pull those breakers at the last flight of the day to shut the oil shut off valves on the E models this would keep the oil from flooding the turbine section.. The breakers was pulled to keep the prop from feathering while pulling the fire handle to shut the oil valve off... We did this if some one still had external, or gtc, power on..

We do the same thing on P-3's if an engine has an oil drain down issue. If "E" handle not pulled, obviously we'd have to motor over the engine prior to start.

Correct.True on E2C and probably P3 as well

Any info about the crew of the P-3 that went down in the sea after take off from Masirah about the mid 90's? Circled the site many times before the aircraft was recovered but never heard if the crew made it out.

All 11 survived the ditch.

Read an article at work today stating that Dyess would get there first Super Herc in April...

17 J-30's comin to Canada with the first set for June 2010.

Can't come soon enough, E's are in rough shape.

#3 is in Body Mate right now. with #4 & 5 following next in line. Then I believe the Indian Hercs are following those. Might be a USAF coming up as well, have only crossed the street the last couple of times to go to Body Mate, have been back in Mid Fuse in a little while.

would that be a Dyess bird or a Canadian aircraft? Curious to know when Dyess will be getting their first aircraft.

Not sure but, but the last Dyess bird in Final Assembly left the line in December. So its in Paint or Flight Line now.

I don't believe the ladder mounts are on J's. Anyone know which airframes had them?

They are also for vertical tail stands

Not sure, will have to check tomorrow at work. We mount the tail stands to something(Never done it, day shift evolution). Might just be the hoist points for the vertical though.

The 135 came first, then Boeing developed the 707 off of the 135 program.

Dan

That's why the airliner is a 707, and the original 135 was designated 717...

They were actually designed side by side as two different aircraft. Though Boeing's site actually state "the 135 can trace its ancestry to the 707". I do believe the Air Force was first to purchase aircraft, before any airline ponied up for the airliner.

So why would the Model 360-80(the prototype aircraft) have the same fuselage diameter as the 135 and not the 707? The 707 was only designed to have two by two seating, thus only needing the fuselage diameter of the Dash 80. But the airlines wanted three by three, as the DC-8 had. So Boeing widened the fuselage for the airliner version prior to the first production aircraft.

The tubes(fuselage) are narrower on a 135 vice a 707. Though the JSTARs and some of, if not all of the TC-18s are converted 707s(wanna say -300's)s acquired from airlines. The JSTARS was supposed to be going through the 7Q7 mod, where they get the JT8D-219 engines, not sure if it went through or not.

The tubes(fuselage) are narrower on a 135 vice a 707. Though the JSTARs and some of the TC18s are converted 707s acquired from airlines.

P3 super bee,

I hate to tell you but the Netherlands didn't order any C-130J's

They just had 2 old EC-130Q's completely rebuild by Derco in the UK.

My best bet is that you ment NORWAY.

Bonzo

LOL You are correct. I had Netherlands on the brain, was chat with a EX P-3 F/E from the Netherlands a little before the post. Good catch.

Look at www.scramble.nl and look in database

It is a rich database and it's very much up to date.

Bonzo

I like that site. Bookmarked.

It is a very good site. In the P-3 world they move aircraft between squadrons faster than most change underwear, and these guys manage to keep up pretty good. Surprisingly, (no, not really) They are better than the Instruction the Navy puts out quarterly with aircraft locations. LOL

06-8610 callsign herky98 and 06-8612 callsign herky99 came in to RS on dec 23 2009 last 4 remain for 2010

It will be a bit before those make it. There are currently a big zero of them in Final Assembly... Wanna say we have 2 for Dyess AFB, Two for the Netherlands, A KC-130J for the Jarheads, and then as the photo of the month shows in Position 6, is the first HC-130J

Not Herc Humor, but on the lines of Propwash... In Moffett Field CA there was a newbie check in. She was sent out for propwash, and she went with a bucket and stood behind the P-3 as it taxi'ed through the washrack. Needless to say there were a few pissed off higher ups.

Up in Alaska, we swapped out a RPM gauge on the #2 motor. Had one of the Newbie NFO's(Naval Flight Officer - guy not good enough to drive) spinning the prop so we could do an op check.

The best way to gather info about your awards and decorations is to submit a SF 180 to St louis and request a new DD form 214...that is the ONLY document with official info on your military service.

Muff

The Navy has a site you can goto to see all Unit awards given out. I'm sure the Air Force has one too. You'd be surprised to see the odds are you are missing some unit awards NOT on your 214. I went through the Navy site prior to retiring. I found 6 unit awards I had be awarded, but didn't know it till went through the site. (Most were the command was awarded an award, after I had left the command, but the award covered a time frame in which I was in the command.)

With nothing in the pipeline it don't take long for 2040 to get here and the need for the next gen heavy lifter to be here.

Engine Mike

You are right here. The P-3 is suffering from this. After the P-7 was canx in the 90's. They waited way to long to come up with a replacement. Now they are having to re-wing the P-3 to get it to the P-8.

Hmmm, spent 20 years in P-3's in Hawaii. Never heard of this... Would like to know more..

How long has it been since they build a trainer or fighter?

Guess you've missed the F-22 Rator?, F-35 Lightning II?, F-2 (Japanese Support Fighter) The T-50(Korean Trainer)?

Lockheed must be doing something right with the J model. Currently there are 95(happens to be the largest back order in the 50+ years of making the thing.) on back order not counting the options.

Why build a new C-5 replacement aircraft, when the current C-5B's are being upgraded to the C-5M Super Galaxy, and looks to keep her in the air till 2040?s