fltsload Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 See the story at: http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index.cfm/fa/viewstory/story_ID/17645 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Thats really disappointing. When they said a ro ro weapon system I figured it would be something useful like guns. This is really kind of a worthless system, your losing the capability of refueling planes that carry a large variety of ord for the exchange of mounting what, maybe four hellfires? Waste of money and a waste of a refueler if thats all it is. I sure as hell hope the wombat mod actually involves something you can really kill with. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herkpilot Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 I sure as hell hope the wombat mod actually involves something you can really kill with. Dan Soon enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railrunner130 Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 They need to redesignate that program. Harvest Falcon is a latrine kit.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmac_Project Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Guess it wasn't in the budget to do it right the first time and still get it into the field quickly. Engine Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEFEGeorge Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 Thats really disappointing. When they said a ro ro weapon system I figured it would be something useful like guns. This is really kind of a worthless system, your losing the capability of refueling planes that carry a large variety of ord for the exchange of mounting what, maybe four hellfires? Waste of money and a waste of a refueler if thats all it is. I sure as hell hope the wombat mod actually involves something you can really kill with. Dan Back in '83 when we went to Red Flag with the 17th, we attended a briefing where a "proposal" was to arm a Herk with air-to-air weapons with the racks mounted on the fuselage, or some other non-obvious places, so it could fly in a formation with regular Herks and attack any airborne threats without being seen as an obvious threat first glance. Guess it never really panned out. I agree with Dan. Why take away a refuel asset when the launch rails could be mounted elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry myers Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 And this represents capability Marine Corps Air thinks is going to make a difference on the battlefield? Think they should change the name to Harvest CHICKEN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Harvest Falcon is a latrine kit. Actually Harvest Falcon is the name for the entire AF field kit to include the tents, Air Conditioner, latrines (and don't underestimate those until you spent a year over a oriental bomb site or a ditch) and field kitchen kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railrunner130 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Actually Harvest Falcon is the name for the entire AF field kit to include the tents, Air Conditioner, latrines (and don't underestimate those until you spent a year over a oriental bomb site or a ditch) and field kitchen kit. LoL! You get my point anyway!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc130fe Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Thats really disappointing. When they said a ro ro weapon system I figured it would be something useful like guns. This is really kind of a worthless system, your losing the capability of refueling planes that carry a large variety of ord for the exchange of mounting what, maybe four hellfires? Waste of money and a waste of a refueler if thats all it is. I sure as hell hope the wombat mod actually involves something you can really kill with. Dan Dan, I know where your hear is (and believe me I flew the same mission for 10+ yrs), but for the AF SOCCOM has made the decision that an overwatch/strike capability is important enough to go in the hole with HAR birds until the MC-130J comes on line. We aren't in the need of HAR as much as we are having the ability to put "warheads on foreheads" with our SOF members on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdaley Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Harvest Turkey seems a good name, but seriously the USMC would probably not be doing this if the got the support they thought they needed from the small USAF AC-130 Gunship fleet. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Yeah but three or four missiles then empty isn't what I would call a warheads on foreheads win, it needs some guns to be truly effective. If you want hellfires, call in a fighter. They carry more and when their empty they can go back to base, refuel and rearm and be back on station before a herk can even get back to base. Hell if you want true overhead, pallatize a 20mm, 25mm,, or 30mm and stick it out the paratroop door, a couple missiles is small thinking that will end up being too little in the end, wait and see. Dan, I know where your hear is (and believe me I flew the same mission for 10+ yrs), but for the AF SOCCOM has made the decision that an overwatch/strike capability is important enough to go in the hole with HAR birds until the MC-130J comes on line. We aren't in the need of HAR as much as we are having the ability to put "warheads on foreheads" with our SOF members on the ground. Gary, I know what your saying but my point really has nothing to do with losing HAR capes, it has to do with losing HAR capes for too little return if they just hang three or four hellfires on it. Hell they got predators that can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc130fe Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Dan, the Marines have taken a different approach than the AF has. The remission of the MC-130 and new AC-J will have something different missile and gun wise. I'm sure you read about it on the internet. Yes I know Pred's can deliver Hellfires, I'm at school learning to fly them as I type...see what getting promoted will do. After being a FE for 21+ years, it's a mind shift. GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 Dude, I am so sorry for you! I know what it felt like for me to lose flying, but you are still in and now your going to play video games instead of flying. But what the hell, you might get the chance to kill someone and that makes up for a lot:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc130fe Posted May 6, 2010 Share Posted May 6, 2010 You are correct...I get to look that F-er if the eyes as I put a "warhead on a forehead". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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