bobdaley Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I used to see this airplane at TSN all the time. Flying back and forth to Hanoi. I was told it was a Boeing 247. It look like a four engine DC-3 to me. I looked up Boeing 247 and it was a two engine airplane. Anyone know what it is? Thanks Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talonlm Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Boeing 307? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Boeing 307? Yep, Boeing 307 of Air Vietnam. I remember it used to park at the civilian terminal right around the corner from Rebel Ramp. It was the first pressurized passenger airliner and the first to have an FE. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre623 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 [it was the first pressurized passenger airliner and the first to have an FE. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizzard Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Well, i don't think Don was the first FE, mine from SEA HAD to be. I believe he held a groundline for the Montgolfier brothers. His name was Bob Maloney, and he became the 36th first shirt, at least for a while, when we came back from our summer tour in '72. He was , I think, almost 48 years old then. Great guy, though, taught me a lot about the airplane that he didn't need to. He passed away about seven or eight years ago. Check set, Bob Giz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) [it was the first pressurized passenger airliner and the first to have an FE. Don R. So you are saying that's where your FE days started Don...... on the first one that is.......just wonderin'. Bill Edited September 5, 2011 by DC10FE pretty obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMcGowan Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 It wasn't an Air Vietnam airplane. The airplane was silver with no markings other than a tail number. It was part of the CIA stable. It was a common sight all over South Vietnam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMcGowan Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Don, it didn't have an FE. FEs first appeared on flying boats, then on B-29s. It had an aerial engineer which is not the same thing. FEs were trained to compute cruise performance; aerial engineers were not. My dad was an aerial engineer on B-24s. The 307 was developed from the B-17. Note the wing, engines and under carriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Seems to have been in several liveries over time but reg number is same... As Bob's CIC AIR LAOS AIGLE AZUR AIRNAUTIC TRANS WORLD AIRWAYS <Though here as N1940 Some worthless trivia... As per AIR AND SPACE dot com F-BELU was built for TWA and was originally registered as N1940, and was sold in '51 to Aigle Azur. Registered as XW-TFP it crashed in '75 near the Mekong River operated by Royal Air Lao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdaley Posted September 6, 2011 Author Share Posted September 6, 2011 I wondered what happened to that one. The only one left is at the Smithsonian. It was the one that crashed into a lake in Washington after being restored and before going on display. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Don, it didn't have an FE. FEs first appeared on flying boats, then on B-29s. Sam, did I get the "first pressurized passenger airplane" correct? Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3_Super_Bee Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Sam, did I get the "first pressurized passenger airplane" correct? Don R. That and the part about the F/E is correct. Unless BOEING is incorrect in stating the 307 is the first aircraft with a Flight Engineer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpony56hd Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I was on the 307 that went swimming about 15 min before it splashed. It had just been restored and went to an air show in Montana as a test flight. The fuel gages quit working and they were sticking the tanks to get fuel levels. They misjudged a headwind and used more fuel than expected. They broke an oil line on an engine and worried about fire, landed at paine field in Everett Wa. about 45 miles north of Seattle and parked on the Boeing flight line. I was a flight line mechanic on the line at the time. We had a new line made in the tube shop and installed it. Before it left we got to go on board annd take a look. Then it left low on fuel and ran out on the way to Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMcGowan Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Seems to have been in several liveries over time but reg number is same... As Bob's CIC AIR LAOS AIGLE AZUR AIRNAUTIC TRANS WORLD AIRWAYS <Though here as N1940 Some worthless trivia... As per AIR AND SPACE dot com F-BELU was built for TWA and was originally registered as N1940, and was sold in '51 to Aigle Azur. Registered as XW-TFP it crashed in '75 near the Mekong River operated by Royal Air Lao Like I said, it was CIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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