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Bet you an find them at any military surplus store, too. Used to have them for deer camp. I think we may have paid $10 a piece......

Any military hospital should have a room full of them, the newer ones may still have the FSN on them.

Off the topic, but where the heck have you been. I have sent several emails to ya and they bounced back undeliverable. Had me worried there, brother

My recollection also. I'm thinking it was the standard U.S. Army stretcher. Kept one on my aircraft.

Robertus, perhaps it would help it you talked to one of your army buddies.

Larry, didn't all the 316th planes have at least one, some two?????? Or is my mind more befuddled than normal????

Does anyone here know what type of stretcher available for C-130?

For Medivac purpose. I am looking for stretcher's part number to be procured.

Really need your help.

Thanks

Robertus Eko

Captain

Have no idea of part number, etc, just know that what I always had was the standard green wood and canvas stretcher with the metal scissor-type spreaders............

What's the super Bowl???????????? That big toilet down at Lowe's??

No doubt, Herks are tough old birds.

Some mighty tough old birds worked on and flew them, too......... Well, I am pretty sure about the OLD part!

Yeah, I'm afraid so!

If I were have to load my wife into a C-130, she would have to be kept in G compartment, due to CG limits!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob and Giz both your wifes will be at the reuion so it will be interesting to see how this story turns out.

HMMMMMMMMMMMM, didn't quite think this out, did we?????

Well, I will tell you all this...................I am not allowed to watch Jeopardy if Big E is in the room........She is so damned afraid she might hear me answer a question correctly!!!!!!!!!!!!

What good behavior???

Well, sometimes I put the seat down................

Both of us having done time for almost 42 years should be up for parole!

Bob

Yeah, especially with time allowed for good behavior!!!!!!!

We are both broken men, I reckon.......

"The STEP program is a tool commanders can use to promote people that, in the commander's eyes, are deserving of immediate promotion." "When Airmen know that the possibility exists that they could be spot promoted, it gives them additional reason to do their best work."

Anyone know someone who got a Stripe Through Exceptional Performance?

Wasn't anything like that back in my day. Would this be permanent and circumvent normal promotional procedures????? Sounds like something the Obama team came up with.

Giz,

Maybe Bob won't be able to do that for you! I heard he is an Honest man!!!!!!

Ken

Yep, that is quite true. and he is the boss in his house, too. I heard his wife, Mercy, tell him he was allowed to say that!!!!!!

Right now it's 38* and rainy. Been that way for a number of days. Going to wash away all the snow if it doesn't stop soon, then there goes all the ground cover for when it get's really cold. But hell, it's almost February and we haven't seen any really cold weather. Was near zero for a short time about a month ago, but...

This time in '85 we were freezing our butts off flying in Brim Frost.

yeah, it must have came down here, sub-zero temps every morning this week, snow like salt, wind bites.........I can really appreciate the even worse conditions my dad experienced up there in the Aleutians in WWII.

Hey, Bob, will you send a note to my wife telling her I actually did get something RIGHT?????? I'd appreciate it, 'cause she wouldn't believe me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GIZ

Those two DD215s that I posted are available on the "old, old loady stuff" thread if you would like to take a look. I just went back there myself and a question was raised in my mind. Do these two DD215s mean that I was awarded the VNSM twice????? I hardly think so, but is fun to contemplate!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two VSM's???? It's possible, Hell until last week, according to the damn VA, I haven't been married for almost 42 years!!!!!!!!!!

How did you get your VSM with stars? Did you get them recently or were you awarded them years ago?

Well, in my case, I never got any of my awards while I was on active duty, had actually plain forgot, so maybe six years or more, i tried and tried and finally got them through my senator's office, BUT all I got was the VSM and the ribbon itself. no star, my record doesn't show it. I don;t know why,as an aside, I sent a request in for any unit citations I might have been eligible for. damned if I didn't get an AFOU ribbon with an oak leaf cluster, because the 36th had been awarded two AFOU citations while I was assigned to them. So I guess most of us have no real idea what all we may be entitled to without a specific search request, and even that may not be complete. that's why I'm going to request a 214 correction to get my campaign star for ceasefire, or as we called it the Easter, campaign

Thanks Chris, Giz, Bob et al. I think the bronze star on my NDSM represents the award from the Vietnam era and a separate award for Desert Shield/Storm. ps Hows the weather in Anchorage SEFEGeorge?

here's what I found, for anyone interested, there are four periods of eligibility for the NDSM. I think a lot of folks thought it was awarded automatically, but that is not the case.. the first period runs the Korean War period, June 27, 1950 to July 27, 1954. It was not awarded again until the Vietnam time period January 1, 1961 to august 14, 1974. It then was discontinued again until the Persian Gulf War, August 2, 1990 to November 30, 1995, then another period in which it was not awarded until the Global War on Terrorism, September 11, 2001 'til the present. The awarding follows these guidelines, service in any one period qualifies the member for the medal and unadorned ribbon. service in addition award periods are indicated by the authorization of stars on the ribbon.

Damn, I miscalculated on that number didn't I? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, no wonder I was always out of CG limits!!!!!! I do remember this now. Okay, here's one..................How are the number of stars on a NDSM, like Sparks, calculated???? I know that it has something to do with service that covers both periods of time when the medal was being awarded and not, but can't find anything that I can make sense of. Actually, I have seen very few stars on the NDSM, some from Korea-Nam vets and so on.....I think there was a time period between Nam and desert storm that it was not awrded, but not sure........

Bob, I'm not sure but I think that CID 1501 maybe some form of contact

They are campaign stars, I think there are five,I may be wrong. Ours would be for the Easter Offensive campaign. We have some guys here in the VVA chapter that have three, or so.

After 41 years 8 months and encouragement from my friends here, I have finally got confirmation of the elusive "boots on the ground" Thanks all but especially Paul, Jerry, Chris and Bob. There is a goldmine of information and friendship on this site..I cant thank you all enough

We ain't called brothers for nothin'!!!!!!! But now I gotta send off a 180 or whatever it is, because I don't have the campaign star for my VSM on my records. Yeah, I know it is a trivial thing, but still......................

Giz

'Bout damn time..........................Must be the week for us old 316th geezers to win some of our VA battles.