RZHill

What fun place, I can see the prospective location of the road that I put the speedbump ditch across. Sure was a long 10 months.

Rz

I and another Sailor from Navy Squadron VR-7 (we flew the C-130 for MAC during the Vietnam days) went through FE training at Sewart AFB in 1967. As I recall most of the Air Force guys in the class were ex KC135 boom operators. Our completion certificates read "Flight Engineer."

My cert (Nov. 65) says Fight Mechanic, That was what I was called until Discharge in June 66.

A/C. voltage.

Worst argument I ever had with a deployment commander was back in 82 getting ready to come home when he ordered the crew chief's to "float the caps". Moldyhole had Jp8 . he couldn't understand the difference between Jp4. Man he was pissed when i told Him I wasn't going to get myself killed for his ignorance. That was around the time we were fighting the wing cracks also.

RZ Hill

xplain how he did that please.

RZ

What RZ meant to say was that the 86-041X aircraft were from the Burgh, and the 88-440X aircraft were from Milwaukee.

Interesting about that 440 AW aircraft lost in Iraq, if it is charged to the 440 AW and not active duty, that would give the highest loss rate of all the Guard and Reserve units to them.

Over the last almost 40 years the Guard and Reserve have had a great safety record. Including this one there were 11 losses.

440 AW now at Pope A model 1985 Honduras, H model 1997 Honduras, H model 2009 Iraq

118 AW Nashville A model 1980 low level, A model 1986 Ft Campbell KY

302 AW Peterson E model 1995 Idaho

189 AW Little Rock E model 1988 Greenville MS

123 AW Louisville B model 1992 Evansville IN

No longer 130 units:

63 AS Selfridge A model 1975 Michigan

706 AS New Orleans B model 1975

304 RQS Portland HC model 1996 off CA

167 AS Martinsburg E model 1992 low level

Absolutely right.

RZ

There were 16 1988 C-130H2's delivered. 8 to Milwaukee, 8 to Charleston,WV. IIRC Milwaukee lost an '88 H model in Honduras.

Hey Dave, you still at the post office?

Milwaukee gained some acft from Chicago when they closed.

RZ

The 044X are milwalkees Pittsburgs were 0211 etc If i remember right.

Too Early in the morn

RZ

You should have realized ,pope pranged a old Pittsburg acft in the desert.

Pittsburg's acft went to pope.

That's Lockgreed.

From some time in late 1966 when they broke up OMS and assigned us to different squadrons. While at Lockbourne, I crew 56-0523 for a long time then was a Flight line controler, Assist Flight Chief and Flight Chief. I left there in Oct 1967. Went to the 79 ARRS @ Andersen AFB, Guam.

What did you do while you were @ Lockbourne?

I arrived in mid 62, was in B-47 Recovery. moved to the 317th when the 47's left.

Crewed 56-489 then 56-513, Went to Fe school at Sewart Flew the line in the 39th till June 66.

RZ Hill

Hey Dutch, when where you in the 39th at Lockborne?. I was in the 39th late 65 thru June 66.

RZ Hill

That's ok, the brown bag in Dc will give them one, for his oppressed brothern.

RZ

Speakinging about short sighted, the SCNS goes though one card except for two things! I don't know if it's the same now but I never had confidence in that system to not really let me down. Over halfway to Lajes is a bad time to lose your nav systems. At least we had a sextant.

Ge Dave did you ever go past Lajes?

RZ

In the early days, SCNS= Sorry Crap Nav System.

RZ

Okc acft are now at The reserve unit at Pittsburg.

The 79-473 thru 480 acft were the second buy and operated by Jackson Mississippi.

The transfered to Charleston Wv. in The spring of 86. They looked like new then, Jackson's crew chiefs didn't want to get rid of them and pickup worn out 141's. We flew these acft till the Summer of 89 when we got 88-1301 thru 1308 that now are w's.

Your acft were split up over the Guard I would see them in numerous places. They were brought back together for your unit.

Of the 8, 475 was the fastest, 479 and 480 the most reliable, tho all were great flyers.

Look on the copilots forward panel on 473 and see if it still has the "turbo boost switch" We had more fun with this on a trip to Korea with the transient maint troops.

By the way what's the average hours on these acft. today?

RZ Hill

I believe they came as H2-5's as we couldn't interfly with them on rotation to Ramstein. We could preflight them leaving the glass stuff alone.

RZ

Your right 78-0806 is the first H'2 and that batch of 8 went to OKC.

RZ

On the Guard side, The H2's started with 78-0208 and continued thru 90-1058 The digital fuel gauges, started with 84-208 (Delaware) Rosemont Pitot system With Texas 86-1361 , along with oil cooler augmentation.

Mansfield tails are 90-1791 thru 90-1798. Louisville recieved 12 acft starting with 91-1231.

Mansfield and Louisville are H-2.5 acft.

Now since the Brac crap some have been shifted around.

Cheyenne Has the first H-3's then Charlotte, then Martinsburg of which 8 have gone to Charlie West, including the first 4 3.5's

The last H-3.5's went to Minneapolis.

RZ Hill

They never listen to maintenance. Then, when the aircraft breaks, guess where the $hit rolls downhill to?

Now there are 3 orphan acft, , what is to become of them?

What a waste,

RZ

If you flew with an inop fuel gauge you had to dip the tank and verify fuel quantity. There were times when the dip stick was missing, so you just took the broom handle and dipped the tank and then the opposite tank to see how close they were on the handle. Assuming that there was no tilt to the bird. I think 2% was max tilt. Wasn't JP-4 6.4 lbs/gal? JP-5 at 6.9 sounds right.

Your right 6.4 and 6.9 If I remember jp8 is same weight as jp5.

Jp4 being wide cut gasoline, Jp5 and jp8 Diesel base

RZ

Muff I never heard of runing the fuel gages down and pulling the C/B. How did you do that. If i ever knew i must have forgoten

Easy, use the Test button, wait till the Gauge reads what you want, pull the breaker, works cool.

RZ Hill

Wonder who the Engineer was???

RZ

Left to right Joey Recco Steve Williams, Dave Weddington, Col (three engine BoB ) Bradley