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Nice photo -- too bad it has that extremely annoying watermark splashed across it. Really ruins a great photo.

Don R.

Keeps people from using the photos illegally. Airliners has a very strict copyright rules. They actively look for violators and have been known to have websites shutdown from using their(and the photographers who submit the photos) photos. A simple email to the photographer with a request for any photo should net you an "unmarked" (at least visually, most likely will have an invisible watermark) photo for private use.

here is my final take on all this..........each of you yourself know what ya did. Almost everyone, somewhere along the line, did something very extraordinary, above the required, etc, etc, and did not ever get a "trophy' for it. the real decoration is the one in your heart that knows who you are and what ya did. Yeah it would be nice, perhaps, to have a ribbon or whatever that others can see that says "hey, this guy did this.' But, even if you don't, that still does not diminish whatever you did, it never will. What is so disturbing to me, in the modern military, is that it seems they are cheapening the importance and relevance of military decorations. More candy for the kiddies perhaps. I spent 26 years as a firefighter and I did things that most of you could never understand why a person would do it, just doin' what the taxpayers paid me to do, as part of a team, and only once or twice ever received any "attention". it was always considered doin' our job. BUT, I still remember those 'special" calls, and the successes and the heart-breakin' failures. No plaque, medal, trophy, certificate, or commendation could match how I feel inside. I am damn lucky, I got to do, in my lifetime, two jobs that required very special skills, in very special conditions, working with very special men. I will die with that a part of me, and my greatest "medal" of all is to be able say I was a part of two 'Bands of Brothers." enough from me..............

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Giz

Well Said !!!

Now here is a suggestion, if all ya gotta do is play with a video, why the hell do they have to be commisioned? get some of these lard ass kids who have mega-thumbs from playin' x-box and all and let them do it....

They are E's in the Navy... Actually, not sure if all are E's or if there is a mixture of O's and E's. Just know the program is open to the E's.

One other thing,and i guess it is pretty petty, on my part in a way, but how come Air Cav grunts, from Nam, can qualify for air medals and some air force crew members, myself included, didn't????? Please, please, i am not takin' anything away from them, they did a bitchin' job, but does that make sense????? Now if they can find a way to load airplanes, do engine starts,and do air drops from a comfy cubicle, sign me up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Giz

During Desert Storm, we only had two of our four crews make it to the gulf.(war ended too soon, for the others to make it) Our dumb ass skipper thought it would be nice to adjust the flight hours somehow, so all the crews over there would get an Air Medal. Somehow he jacked it up and no one got one. Not to mention he got busted, and the boot. The two of the crews that made it ended up with a Naval Achievement Medal with Combat V. < Then there was some hoorah about the Combat V and the NAM, can't remember exactly what it was. Anyway, we were told to remove the V and go on our marry way. Though, they never changed out the actual. award paperwork to reflect the V being taken away, so needless to say after about 6 months, the V's started reappearing on the ribbons.

Also for us, at least our squadron, the crew was written for an award, be it a lousy letter of appreciation, commendation, or medals, everyone that was on the aircraft at the time, got the award. Be it an "O", "E" Aircrew or Maintenance. The guys on the crew(maintenance) that were on deck, would also get an award. If the Aircrew ended up with an Air Medal, the guys on deck wouldn't get the Air Medal, but they would either get a Navy Commendation, or Navy Achievement Medal, depending on the task.

I never could figure out why a milatary person ,commisioned or enlisted, would be awarded a medal for doing his or her job.

A letter of comandation should suffice.

For heroic action under fire or in the face of danger - then a medal might be due.

I agree. Not to mention how lame it is to get a ribbon for going to boot camp in the Air Force.

Remember how when I joined the Navy in '88, for one to get a Navy Achievement Medal, it had to signed by a Flag Officer. So needless to say you actually had to really achieve something to be awarded it. Very rarely did you see and E-5 or below with one. Now the commanding officer can pass 'em out, and does so like they are candy, some of the Achievements I have actually seen the medal awarded for:

Ran the geedunk(coffee mess) for 6 months on deployment.

Did one year in QA, did nothing but required job.

Did paperwork for all awards summited, all the t's cross and i's dotted for a 6 month deployment.

Did a 3 year tour doing nothing spectacular but showed up for work.

The kicker, was in one command, and we were prepping to leave on a 6 month deployment. We were about 2 months from hitting the road, and they put it out at a meeting that the "end of deployment" awards nominations were do in 3 weeks.

Or two people were each going to get an end of deployment award, one of them got into trouble(broke a few stipid liberty rules, that 108 other did(all 108 went to Captain's Mast(NJP) The one that didn't get in trouble got the award(was even pretty much word for word what the first guy did) so second ended up with two end of tour awards.

I would say the A400M is competing more with the C-17 rather than the C-130.

That's my thoughts... A C-17 with props...

A C-130K with the engine/prop installed for flight test.

So it looks like, the 211, 212, 213, 214 are the tail numbers...

Changed out a engine RPM gauge on det once. Had a newbie navigator hanging out with us, wanting to see the maintenance side of things. Had him spinning the prop by hand so we could op check the gauge.

Pilots were always wanting us to get them when we had to blow the emergency brake bottle, so they could "see what it felt like" Sooooo, Being an industrious Airframer, when it came time to hand pump the bomb bay doors open and closed for a phase inspection, I'd always try to get a Nav/Comm (officer, that would be doing it in flight in an emergency) to come down and "see what it felt like" Nobody ever volunteered twice for that fun. < It's about as fun as hand pumping the Cargo Ramp / Pressure Door on a C-130, actually probably worse, because if you stopped to take a break on the bomb bay doors they would start to close on you.

Was it just us, or did any of you guys ever send the new troop over to supply to pick up some "prop wash"?

That was done at VP-31 (P-3's) at Moffet Field, CA. The newbie took a bucket and went and stood behind the rinse rack as a P-3 taxied through... Needless to say that was frowned upon by pretty much everyone. Have to say it was a pretty industrious thinking on the newbie's point.

Yep, as soon as the pilot hits the start button he states "turning" to give the loadmaster a start time for his five second countdown..

the pilot should state turning as soon as he pressed the starter button to give the load master a referance to start timing for 5 sec

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Am I understanding this correctly? The PILOT starts the engines???? Or have I missed something?

Just trying to learn the C-130 world vice the P-3 world, where as the Pilot has nothing to do with engine starts other than to get clearance from ground, verify his side of the aircraft is clear for engine starts, and to call prop rotation. F/E does the rest... Pilot don't even set power for take offs.

I checked with one of our MD-11 instructors here. He said that the MD-11 was about 10 feet longer than the DC-10, and that the aft end was smaller than the DC-10, saving about 2,000 lbs in weight. Learn something new all the time. Or maybe just re-newing brain cell memories that have fallen under KRAFT.

Wanna say the MD-11 has a larger wingspan, to go along with the longer fuselage as well...

Don, just for your info, here at UPS all of the DC-10s are MD-11s - glass cockpit, 2 pilots. Same for the 747s. We have the MD-11 and 747-400 sims here at the training facility.

The MD-11 is a completely different production aircraft... One thing being the MD-11 has roughly a 400K heavier MTOW...(MD-11 to a DC-10F-30)

The MD-10's started life as a DC-10 and been retrofitted with a Rigid Cargo Barrier, of which the DC-10 & MD-11 do not have, allows for more crew space, and elmination of the Net Stretch saftey area... Also they are retrofitted with MD-11 type glass flight station eliminating the F/E. As far as I know, FedEx is the only company to have opted for the MD-10 mod.

I can see a designation change when you zero out the airframe, and like the C-5M 70 plus mods at once, plus your performance numbers have a pretty big change as well.

The C-130 Fleet(trash haulers) is way to big, and don't think it ever will get down to just one or two designations, you'd have to be stupid to think you could get the fleet down to one or two designations. There are only 100 or so P-3's and I don't think there are two out there that are 100% the same when it comes to avionics out there. That can be a confusing mess when running maintenance control. We had config sheets in every ADB showing the different configs for the squadrons aircraft.

It is going to happen, eventually there will just be the C-130X and the C-130J flying in the US inventory. And eventually you will see those 8 bladed props and upgraded valve housings on them too. I was told with the AMP + the Eight Bladed Props it will become the C-130Y and will be the last design of the C-130.

Why would there be a designation change for AMP or 8 Blades. E-2C's stayed the same with 8 blade mod. P-3C's stayed the same with partial glass install.

I just heard from Wombat that 2 ex Little Rock Herks are going to the Navy's Warfare Area on the East Coast?

Anyone know where that is? Is the rumor true? Maybe the two E's damaged by tornados?

Thanks

Bob

That would be Pax River, Maryland.

"Seems the Navy is getting all the press on this one..."

As they should.

Though have to give the Army some credit too as well. 160th SOAR were the unit that got the SEALs in and out...

I heard a fixed wing aircraft was used for the disposal at sea.. I hope it was a HERK..

Considering the "funeral" was conducted aboard the USS Carl Vinson, I doubt a Herk was in anyones mind, and the deed was done from a C-2.

Seems the Navy is getting all the press on this one...

Like the motto goes... Fly NAVY, land Air Farce...

One of the Epic press failures of the night... A FDNY widow from 9/11 was being interviewed on ABC. She was asked how she heard the news, her response? "I heard it on Fox"...

It is a big news story. Currently as of this posting the top headline on ESPN is about bin Laden's death.

I got a picture from Don Rogers of a Herk with a strange paint job. Maybe for Japan. Anyone got any knowledge of it?

Thanks

bob

Old Japan Coast Guard scheme...

WIKI PAGE on the Japan Coast Guard. Note the tail flash on the Herc to the JCG logo.

Don't think the JCG uses the Herk anymore though. A modified DHC-8-300 is their workhorse now with a fleet of around 30 aircraft.

C-130J Flight Line Shows Multi-Mission Flexibility

MARIETTA, Ga., April 11th, 2011 -- Special mission versions of the C-130J Super Hercules are becoming a regular sight on the Lockheed Martin flightline here. First in line (on right) is an Indian Air Force aircraft, which is based on the C-130J long airframe, configured to meet that operator’s special operations forces requirement. Next on the line are the first of the new MC-130J Combat Shadow IIs that are being prepared for delivery to U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command. The third aircraft configuration is the new HC-130J Combat King II personnel recovery aircraft developed for the U.S. Air Force Air Combat Command.

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Isn't there a line move scheduled for today?

Moved last Thursday.

cool, looking forward to first picture!

second one (212) is in primer in "Proven" with the 1000th nacelle

That's not primer. Just the protective coating that comes on the metal from the supplier. It gets stripped off prior to shooting primer. That picture was taken inside the B1 Building, not to mention the aircraft is still in the B1 building. Should be moving to paint shortly. It's currently in the "Trim Shop".

Didn't see anything on this here so...

Marietta Daily Journal Article

Marietta Daily Journal Magazine

Lars' book also does not have the "LM" designation; and that's the C-130 fan's bible!

Click here: Special Operations.Com - EC-130E "Senior Hunter"

Don R.

Don't mean it's right.

I think it has something to do with block numbers. I remember in the P-3 IPB manuals, Would be something like P-3B-LO then another number. This was looking in the block number section... Not in the Navy any more so can't check the manual.

Why have a location code, when for most part aircraft are built in the same location....

Though the first two C-130's were built in Burbank, and the last 8 P-3's were built in Marietta.

JET PHOTOS dot NET PIC #1

JET PHOTOS dot NET PIC #2

Here it's listed as an HC-130H. Though if Jet Photos is anything like airliners.net just because the designation is there don't make it right. <Scramble.nl database has it as a C-130H.

Though looking at the pics she's not a "plain jane" trash hauler. Extra antennae (SATCOM??) on the flight station escape hatch. Extra stuff on stbd paratroop door. Quick mod stuff as this PICTURE looks to be newer(latest I've found, as well) and all the "Extras" are gone.

I think the "LM" is a location code... (Not for sure.)

LM = Lockheed Marietta

LO = Lockheed Burbank < how an O was used vice a B, I have no clue.