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mongo wrote:

could it be that just maybe, the particular LE in question is just repaired? We got some aircraft here at the big loser UAL that are flying around with doubler and triplers that look like armor plating. CG? what CG??

I thought that at first before I saw the pics. If they needed to put a patch repair on the L/E that was that big, I would\'ve replaced the entire L/E instead. You can tell that it is definitely suppose to be there and from what I\'ve seen in old T1 pictures, there is definitely plates on the Horizontal L/E\'s.

This plane just looks to me like it was pieced together with spare parts to get flying again. I\'m curious how it will look after depot with a fresh coat of paint. Polishing a terd comes to mind, lol! Seriously though I think it is kinda cool how this plane has survived

after all the modifications and demodifications.

DaveB)

bbuech wrote:

I was the crew chief on 4859 when it was assigned to DM as an EC-130. Those LE were not installed on the aircraft then. My guess is when the converted it back to a C-130 the EC LEs were replaced. The EC-130s had antennas attached to the LE.

Yeah I was thinking it had to be installed while at Moody. We haven\'t changed that L/E or the other since it has been assigned here.

DaveB)

Lkuest wrote:

Wow, apparently the \"front\" landing gear now has brakes installed. Interesting powerpoint.

I believe they were referring to the FWD MLG, different terminology there, I think, well lets hope so??

This powerpoint is going around the work email like crazy, so this isn\'t the first time I\'ve seen it. Just glad the crew got out unscaved (spelling).

DaveB)

TalonOneTF wrote:

It definitely came from a Talon 1, and yes, all Talon 1\'s had the leading edges of the horizontal stabilizers covered with a doubler as reinforcement to prevent dents from the ALE-27 chaff bundles. The dispensers were just forward of the paratroop air deflector doors. There are a few old photos around where the 8 dispenser outlets can be seen.

John

I wander how this got be on 4859?? Do you think they put these on the HC\'s back in the day? Looking at an old pic of this bird in folder 4082 of the pic gallery, shows the normal standard L/E, from what I can tell. Here is a pic after all the paint was stripped off. This is off 4859\'s RT Horizonal stab.

[img size=160]http://herkybirds.com/images/fbfiles/images/Picture_20001_1_.jpg

Its funny you say that because I was thinking the same thing. This plane did have the Fulton Recovery when it was a HC-130, so it makes me wander if this L/E never was replaced after all these years? I\'ll try to get some pics up tomorrow when I get them from my work email.

DaveB)

Got an interesting call the other day from Warner Robins concerning

64-14859. As most of us know this plane started out as a HC-130, then to a EC-130, and now it is a C-130E. The problem that Robins had was that the RH Horizontal Leading Edge had extra exterior plating on the L/E of the structure. I finally got them to send some pics and sure enough this exterior plating runs the full length of the L/E. They said this L/E is from a Talon. They didn\'t specify which MDS. I know it isn\'t from the Talon II, but what about the T1? They were telling me it is a Flare deflector?? I looked in both the 1C-130H-4 and 1C-130(M)H-4 and the part numbers cross reference each other. There are no differences in appearance between the MC-130P, MC-130H, and C-130E leading edges.

Does anyone have a theory or know which MDS had these plates? Since it was a HC-130 and EC-130 i figured one of these two probably required these plates? I hope to have some pics up soon so you know what I\'m talking about.

Later,

DaveB)

I had the luxury of going on this drop with the 7th SOS back in the summer of 2006. That was one of the highlight TDY\'s of my career so far. It was a pretty remarkable feeling sitting in the cargo bay with this big sucker! I have some footage of it leaving the aircraft and that is about it. We had combat camera on board, but this knucklehead decided to follow the pallet all the way to the ground instead of the freaking bomb! When the thing went off he panned the camera to where the explosion was and all you saw was the dust cloud, rookie! Good time though!

Laters!

DaveB)

FCCtoFE wrote:

Dave- That is Dyess\'s ISO hanger and the plane at the front gate in the video. I guess they got a new toy and had to show it off. Matt

Hey there man I thought you dropped off the face of the Earth, You are about to graduate soon, right? How was all the training? Drop me a line man, so you can give me a debrief on how everything went. Later on dude!

DaveB)

Thanks Tiny for the pics! That is the first time I\'ve seen the damage and it was more then I thought.

DaveB)

All,

I found this on You Tube and thought you might have a look at it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzOYvEw_paE&feature=related

DaveB)

I think the Alaska Bird that hit the snow burm was 74-1660? This all happened before I got up there in 2002.

DaveB)

HeyChief wrote:

There are no Shadow\'s getting duals rails at Depot, even though the unit really pushed for it. Dual rail installation should be happening soon, at a contractor\'s facility.

I think everyone knows that modifying aircraft falls under the 5 year rule. No mods if the aircraft are within 5 years of retirement unless it is flight safety or sustainment related. As far as I know, there are lot\'s of mods still on the books for the Shadows. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

I guess that\'s my bad. I was told that my Chart A\'s would be modified at depot to accomodate the new rails. It doesn\'t suprise me one bit that they push this stuff back further.

Hell it seems I stay more up to date on what\'s happening on this message board then what they tell me at work?!:S

DaveB)

cobra935o wrote:

I\'m kinda surprised someone put those online!

Nathan

Yeah me to Nathan! T.O.\'s are normally strictly controlled; even if they are archived copies.

DaveB)

They are also modding the MC\'P\'s with dual rails now along with other ADS stuff. We have an aircraft now that is getting fitted at depot, but that doesn\'t mean anything anymore. Spend all the money to TCTO the hell out of them and garbage them the next day.

DaveB)

I know as a W&B Manager that I am to leave enough chains and devices to chain the gear. This is IAW AFI 11-2MC-130_V3 ADD B&C also 11-2C-130_V3 ADD A.

DaveB)

Biddy,

I get asked this question all the time in QA. Nathan is right in his post. Everyone sees the quote and reads just \"remove prior to ISO\" and think, wow we don\'t have remove this thing but only once a year?! Like Nathan said you still have to remove these panels on all aircraft unless you have the encapsulated toilet which then you only have to remove it prior to ISO only.

I thought about putting in a change for this, but it actually isn\'t that confusing as long as you don\'t let it get to your head thinking you are saving some extra work by not removing these panels. I have had pro supers argue this with me and then I just spell it out to them. Does it really make sense to just remove this panel once a year with the pissers spraying piss all over the belly of your airplane?? Then you have the encapsulated toilet in a sealed system, well suppose to be anyway. They seem to get it for the most part, but you always have the stubborn ones who have never even washed a C-130.

Sorry for the book, but this one hits close to home.

DaveB)

Casey, congrats on the milestone! I try to tell as many people as I can about this site. It has been useful in a lot of ways and will continue to stay in my bookmarks! You should easily be at 1,000,000 by this time next year.

v/r

DaveB)

C-130SS \"RACING STRIPES\"!!!! HEHE

Seriously that is pretty odd? Where was this pic taken, Edwards maybe?

DaveB)

UPDATE:

Last night I took the liberty to try this theory out on the MC-130P. The job guide was \"correct\" for this MDS. When the SPR master switch is moved to drain the OFF LOAD valve doesn\'t open automatically. The valve had to be opened by using the OFF LOAD valve switch. I haven\'t tried it out on the MC-130H as of yet, maybe tonight. One interesting tid bit for the Papa\'s is that they were rescue birds at one time. The ones we have here at the hole were HC-130N\'s at one time. This may have had something to do with the UARRSI at that particular time. Anyway I just wanted to post this and let you know what I\'ve found out so far.

DaveB)

agarrett wrote:

Dave, we covered this before. You say that UARSSI changed the function of the offload valve switch. I’m saying it didn’t.

If the refueling job guide tells you to place the offload switch to open on all UARSSI airplanes, not just P models, then I challenge the job guides accuracy. You, being in QA, are in a position to research this, verify it, and recommend/submit changes.

We verified that the offload valve opened when the SPR switch was placed to drain on AC-H/Us, MC-E/H/Ws and the ex Harrisburg ECs that we have here at Hurbie. Check your T-IIs at the “Hole†and see what you find.

That was a well written piece. Take care and GOD BLESS ALL OF OUR ARMED FORCES!

DaveB)

By the way go #88!!

All of our HERCS say the same thing as well on the crew door. I think this is a valid question because I would like to know the official answer, if there is one. I chuckle every time I see this sticker.

DaveB)

The reason you move the offload valve to open on the shadows and any other UARSSI equipped aircraft is because it is no longer wired into the SPR pump drain switch. They moved this feature to the line drain switch in the flight deck so they can utilize the SPR pump for draining the refueling manifold after inflight refuel. So bascially you just think of it as kind of backwards. After the pump has been running for the 5 minutes of draining, after inflight refuel, then the line drain switch is turned off in the flight deck and then the sump dump switch is opened to remove any leftover fuel after draining, which of course goes overboard.

I know this because I asked the same question when I got here at the \"Hole\". I came from slicks w/o UARSSI and I remember when you just had to go to drain with the SPR switch and the offload valve automatically opened. Now I will say this. There is one shadow here w/o UARRSI and the offload valve is still wired into the SPR drain switch. I hope this helps and if I am wrong somewhere I am sure someone will correct me.

Later and fly safe!

DaveB)

Two of the biggest bird strikes that stick out in my mind as a crew dawg is:

I was stationed at LR in the 53rd when we had one of our tails 62-1810 take a bird in the Co-pilots swing window. The plane called in A-3 and needed an ambulance at the spot. The bird hit the window square and broke the window latch and pin bracket. The co had his hand on the yoke at the time and when the window flung open it pinched his hand to the wheel. Needless to say it broke his hand pretty good (that one had to freaking hurt).

Also, I have seen many bird strikes as I have replaced many L/E, Radomes, and windows. The one that sticks out in my mind is the Guard plane that took the Eagle in the fwd kick windows. I mean damn, it looks like someone was butchered in the flight deck.

That was my two cents. You all have a good one!!

DaveB)

I believe they still had only one pip on the end, just different styles of plunger?? Like you said just need to verify. I thought we would have that OTI laying around in our Archives as well, but we don\'t! I had our TODO email one of her contacts for some help, but we haven\'t heard anything yet. Thanks again!

DaveB)