jetcal1

My bad Dan,

I remember thinking about that when typing my comment. I forgot to type it in.

True Statements. I've seen that happen. One side of thermocouple(s) bad the other good.

Well, I'm not sure what you're describing as 'old' TIT indicators, but the ones in the Es and Hs I worked for over 10 years didn't seem to be affected by environmental temperature changes. The TIT indicators didn't seem to break as often as other engine indicating systems. A H261 Temp tester can tell you if there's a problem from the T-block up to and including the TIT indicator in short order.

I'd have to do some digging, but testing a TIT indicator to below zero don't ring any bells and right off hand don't sound very useful, but don't hold me to that just yet.

325X1

Well, as some of you know, I have no C-130 background, just some Navy T56 minor maintenance accumulated over 20 years.

For full dsclosure I work for the company that builds the H261, H394, and H395 which are all testers used on the C-130. Working with the guys in the field on maintaining the gear and working with the development of the H395 has been the sum total of my exposure to the C-130 world. (BTW, Thanks to everyone here who has given help. Not only have the folks here been happy to help, but the gouge has always been good!)

We have a customer flying the older BH183 series indicators on their P-3's, the Dutch took the old NavAir manual and put in a requirement to freeze the unit to -40. The current customer wants us to repair to that standard. I know that some C-130 operators still have them. (Mostly FMS, and these indicators were built from 1963 to 1979.)

"....it really looks like multiple things as low TIT and high FF would seem to be opposed to each other."

Dan,

Bad thermocouples or torching nozzles can cause the exact symptoms you just described. (And a degraded hot section.) The question is where are tach and torque?

Being a dual element T/C there is possibility he has a bad signal going to the cockpit while the TD is good. EXCEPT for the fact that this is occuring on multiple aircraft.

This had led me to another question. (Maybe I should have posted it else where.)

How often do the old TiT indicators go bad? And are they prone to do so in colder weather?

Anybody who can answer that one let me know. There have been some questions here about the need to test the TiT indicators to 40 below zero during repairs.

Jimmy,

My experience on the 56 is very limited. But, follow the advice provided by MAXTORQ. Learn the engine and prop. Becoming an expert on the 56 will make you a real mechanic instead of a BiT jockey. You will gain an understanding that will make troubleshooting any other engine a breeze. And more importantly, you will learn how to think and troubleshoot, which like safety wiring is becoming a lost art.

Dan,

Tell your nephew that we wish him the best.

KC-130 for the new KC-X! Who needs a stinkin' boomer station!

"Generally would know there was a problem as I approached the acft. as there would be lots of oil on the ramp beneath the affected engine."

-That would never work on radials or helicopters.

Action Taken.

This is particularly hard for me because I was a 20 year Navy brat before I joined the AF......I've seen almost 50 years of benefit deterioration.:mad:

Another thank you from a grateful congress and their liberal constituents that for the most part have never served, and abhor the military.

But... all you whiners, we must fund the speakers airplane! How could you expect her family to travel with the great unwashed masses on (Gasp!) commerical flights?

Not DU, but related, I heard on the older herks the side and overhead emergency escape hatch handles used to contain small amounts of radioactive material that would glow. I can't confirm if that's valid or one of those "F with the new guys jokes".

Nope, probably true. it was probably Radium. The same stuff was used on old indicators and watch faces.

While I was no longer in the 130 busness when my then unit converted to JP-8 in the 81/82 time frame, the conversion occured with no problems. The TF-30-P100A engine burned JP-8 without a hiccup.

Not surprising the Air Force spends more on fuel than any other DOD component. In an effort to reduce fuel costs and get off oil from our arab friends:mad:the Air Force is spending big bucks developing synthetic fuel. Currently several MDSs have been certified to burn this fuel. Now it's a matter of getting the cost down. The Air Force had contracted with a refining company to build a syn fuel refinery at Malstrom, but the deal fell through. So, in the years to come, the young troops out there will most likely be fueling something other than JP-8.

The TF30 Pressurization and Dump Valve would dump the fuel from the primary Fuel Nozzle manifolds upon shut down which removed the source of coking. Hence fewer problems.

The Navy has designed and installed a bleed air system which blows air directly through the nozzles after shutdown on the R/R 501's installed in ships. They had a coking problem too.

The process is known as Fischer-Tropsch and dates back about 70 years.

We have plenty of coal, if we lose the ability to get oil from our "friends" it's better to have the capability to produce enough for defense.

I have no doubt the program will eventually come under the scrutiny of the ultra-left tree huggers and shut down due to the use of water during the process. Especially since it's a DoD program.

Supposedly the per barrel average is about $50.00.

Not to get evertone panties in bunch , but the article sounds a bit like pshychological warfare to me .

Let the enemy know one thing then do another. Generals Franks and Schwarzkopf did it.

I hope you're right..but this reeks of Paris to me.

This is starting to sound like "Helpful Hints From Heloise".

You're right. Maybe this should have been moved to the technical section :)

We used to use the coffee pot as an oil bath to heat up our engine bearings. We always gave it a good pre and post bearing scrub...but I don't think it helped the coffee any either way.

Rojo,

The occasional fun of "How did I miss that" is how we acquire knowledge, next time it happens; people will think you’re a genius. And remember: “As airplanes age they break in new and interesting ways.â€

Maybe a 1 year tour in the areas he claims.... without pay... on the ground as a point man!

THAT SOUNDS FAIR....

On the face of it, it sounds good. But, I wouldn't want anyone who is serving with honor to have to depend on this individual.

I would much rather see him working 12 on 12 off in the laundry washing the uniforms of those who are much more fit serve.

(I'd let him have Sundays off, restricted to his room. An opportunity for some introspection might help this "gentleman".)

I only wish all the Airmen I had working for me were that good. Ya-all done good!

I have to concur on that. I'm a Navy brat and we were stationed at NAS Glenview, Ill from 59 to 67. Well the only thing that still exists today is the control tower and the front of Base Ops and the corners of the attached hangars (Ops is a bookstore and one of the hangars is a Von Maur, I think). The whole area is now an "upper" shopping and residential area. In fact, when BRAC approached the mayor of Glenview in the late 90s and asked if she had any input on the closing she said "Go ahead and close it, I don't care". Since I lived there from age 5 to 13 this is like having your childhood hometown erased from the map.

If you go to this site: http://www.airfields-freeman.com/index.htm , there is an excellent write up on Glenview, in fact there are writeups on over 1,000 airfields that have "gone away"; excellent site.

Glenview is populated by affluent folks who have a condescending attitude towards the military. I understand that the attitudes changed a bit in Glenview after they were told that low-income housing was going in.

"Having fun with her on the C-130 was the best day of my life." - More to come.

Glad to hear you did the right thing and watched your PSA. Now get healthy soon! Ya hear?

Felt compelled to drop a note, cute kid. Belated congratulations. But the look on your face tells all.

You know when you're used to getting bit when you walk into the shop and someone tells you you're bleeding.

You look at it and think, "when or where did I do that?"

I remember those well. It was a miracle no one got seriously hurt. We used to call them Polish Cannons after Don Lehtola aka Emilio J Luskovitz, the famous Polish fighter pilot.

Don is retired and living outside Jackson MS.

Bob

I had a cool science teacher in the 8th grade, we made them in class (!) and then tried to measure the muzzle velocity. (Measuring obtained height against a wall didn't work, but he had fun so we still got an A.)

mrjpc130,

I am not sure what you mean by your last post. But, under no circumstances use the list I linked. It was posted for information only. You must use Air Force criteria only.

You should have a master AF approved listing.

However, just for fun, here is the the FAA MMEL for the L382.

"Yep, that's the barry sotero tax break plan!

Decrease the withholding and six months later jack it back up again, and probably higher than it was before. Yep his idea of a tax break is so much better than the republicans."

Obama...the best thing to happen to this country since Jimmuh Carter! Mid-Terms, mid-terms!