SEFEGeorge

Don't have a newer -1, just an older -1. From 20 odd years ago.

When I did pre-flights I told the CC when I turned the pitot tube heat on. Most CCs were already at them or getting there.

"Pitot heat on now."

For all us old C-118 guys.

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An interesting concept!

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Not sure of the "exact" reason anymore but if you'll notice there are a lot of birds that do that as well. Especially among the bug smashers. I think it has to do with losing oil pressure. Oil pressure on start is what brings it out of feather. Lose the oil pressure and the prop goes to feather.

Maybe, at best, a Commendation Medal. Or at least some other medal with an X Box device.

Just what the fuck is this? An award that's higher than the Bronze Star for people that never leave the warmth, comfort, and coffee of their office. Nothing like slapping the face of the vets who actually did something in actual combat to get the award, other than sitting there playing Microsoft simulator. Whats next, those that play COD, etc?

This really pisses me off. The only way for some lame officers to get some medals?

WASHINGTON (AP) — They fight the war from computer consoles and video screens.

But the troops that launch the drone strikes and direct the cyberattacks that can kill or disable an enemy may never set foot in the combat zone. Now, defense officials say, their battlefield contributions may be recognized.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is expected to announce Wednesday that for the first time the Pentagon is creating a medal that can be awarded to troops who have a direct impact on combat operations, but do it from afar.

The Associated Press has learned that the new blue, red and white-ribboned Distinguished Warfare Medal will be awarded to individuals for "extraordinary achievement" related to a military operation that occurred after Sept. 11, 2001. But unlike other combat medals, it does not require the recipient risk his or her life to get it.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement had not yet been made.

A recognition of the evolving 21st Century warfare, the medal will be considered a bit higher in ranking than the Bronze Star, but is lower than the Silver Star, defense officials said.

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According to the Pentagon criteria, the medal gives the military a way to recognize a single act that directly affects a combat operation, doesn't involve an act of valor, and warrants an award higher than the Bronze Star.

http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-creat...-politics.html

Thank you all. Dodged the grim reaper for another year.

Looks like a lot of C-123s there. Some with a RVN tail.

Never had to use the system, even in Alaska. Thought about it once at a radar site WAY up north. Flew in to drop off supplies, wind chill -90 degrees F. For some reason we needed fuel. Don't remember why, maybe we had to hold for a while before landing. CRS you know.

Anyway, tried to put fuel in and the hose from the fuel pit was leaking like a sieve. Stopped refueling, that cold, that dry, fuel on the ground - disaster waiting to happen. Had to get permission from ALCC to fly to Eilson to refuel, since we were cutting the fuel really close to minimums. Plus brake lines were seeping. Because of the extreme cold the GTC was kept running just in case. Thought about using the nacelle preheat but didn't.

Except for Arctic Survival School, it was the only time I had to dig into my cold weather bag that we had to carry during the winter.

If it's not an OP Sec issue, it's been a long time since I was on a Herc and the Hercs now-a-days have a lot more "bumps", etc, on them as well as a lot more antennas (or so it seems). I think I know what some of them are but not all. Can some one annotate a pic or something to show me? Thanks.

Only thing I know where it could have been was in '76 (?), 32nd TAS, leaving out of Kelly AFB in an E model, full fuel, 5 crew members, 2 fuel specialists, and 2 of the large fuel bladders full of fuel, heading to southern Mexico on a humanitarian mission. Not exactly sure what we weighed (don't remember how much fuel those big things held) but if we had lost an engine, I'm sure we would have been a smoking hole in the ground. I had the bleeds closed until we got some altitude below us, zooming at 500 FPM.

Looking for date of incident and details if avalible... Thanks.

(NOT PROP 1) that "box" is not on the original picture... Not sure how it got there...????

Here's a link to a bunch of pictures of the aircraft. Crew was damn lucky that a lot more damage didn't happen and there could have been a lot worse end to this.

http://smg.beta.photobucket.com/user/FTFFTW/library/Herk/Scratch%20and%20Dent%20Sale/73%201592%20EC%20H%20with%20thrown%20prop?start=all

Most of you are correct, however we (yes I was the FE on the plane) were going to Bangor Maine to RON. The next day we were scheduled to depart for England. This incident happened over upper New York, and yes it was inflight. Gear Box came apart at 22,000ft if I remember correctly, happened in September 1988/89 (long time ago). Took out number 4 engine. Did a two engine landing at Pease AFB. Melted the right brakes stopping the airplane. That’s the short story.

And a lot of bricks were shat.

The wings are already designed to carry pylons and external tanks at that hard point, which weigh about 9,000 lb each when full. And the external tanks act to reduce the wing-root bending moment during flight by counteracting wing lift. The drag load from the bombs is probably different, and I'm not sure of the effect of the response from bomb release. But one could probably configure for bombs occasionally without a significant increase in wing fatigue.

You sure about that 9,000 lb comment for the outboard hard point? I don't think that refueling pods weigh anywhere near that much. The inboard hard point I can see the 9K, max external tank fuel is 9,100 lbs if memory serves. Nor do I think that the equipment that the ECs hang on the outboard hard points is anywhere near 9K. If the outboard hard points do have a rating of 9K then someone sure missed a chance to hang another external tank, etc., there.

Always thought that the Herc would make a decent bomber. Easier to calc the CARP, more accurate with dumb bombs, etc.

I filed a VA claim last May. Got a call today from the VA asking me to clarify a couple things. So almost a year and they're finally looking at it? I imagine that it'll probably be another year before a decision is made. Working at the speed of government.

Believe it or not, I understand all this......I could not remember, if I ever really knew, just how close to stall speed we dropped at.....so I guess the drops were not near the classical slow flight parameters that I guess i pretty much had in mind for approachs and landing............. Reckon I should confine my thoughts to the back of the bus!!!!! LOL!!!!!!

Thanks

Giz

Hey Giz, off topic, but we watched a new TV show last night, "Arrow." Interesting concept for the story line. But last nights show involved the "hero" looking into firefighters that died suspiciously during fires.

Ah, curiosity satisfied. Knew someone here would know. Thanks Bob.

Watched Delta Force tonight. Chuck Norris, 1986 movie. Caught the numbers of the Herc they were using. Number 106 on the nose and 4X-FBB on the tail. The roundel looked strange, almost like a round picture. Thought it might be Israeli, since they were in Israel, but couldn't find anything when I searched the interweb.

According to Airliners.net 102 is 4X-FBA, 382-4000 and 4X-FBC is 382-4530. I was just curious and thought some of our more astute members would know.

I looked through a -1 that I have on my computer. It's a terrible scan but partially readable. Anyway, the squat switch has nothing to do with prop reversing. Landing gear handle lock and a few other items. I must have been thinking about the Convair recips I flew (T-29, C-131). I recall the small T-Handles down the the side of the pedestal that would jump in and out during landing with the pilot didn't quite get in down without bouncing a few times. If the squat switch failed I could reach down and pull them out so we could get into reverse.

My mind is churning hard to remember this stuff. But I seem to recall the squat switch is on the main gear, not the nose gear. And I believe that there is a warning in the -1 about reversing props in flight, something about losing control of the aircraft. I can't find any of my training aids, diagrams, etc., on the squat switch, etc. I use to have a lot of them, but only had a few items scanned in.

Hey Giz....

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Sorry Casey, just realized it was in the wrong General thread.

Long missions were never that much fun unless you wanted to build flying time.

Longish missions:

In 5 years at LRF flew many 10 hr overwater missions. At least one every class to have the FE do a 796. Boring.

Flew from EDF to Depot to drop bird off for PDM. Had to arrive at depot during day for drop off. Thinking it was 11 hrs or so.

EDF to Travis, ron, to Hickam, ron, back to EDF. Weekend trainer.

Kelly AFB to Tapachula, Mexico. Max fuel and full fuel bladders. Off-load fuel from bladders, then back to LRF after pumping remaining fuel from bladders into wings. I think that this was the 1st mission that the LM and me carried our "concealed weapons."

Nice pics Bob. Those appear to be standard U.S. made BRU-41 MER racks we used on our fighters till bout 1990. Each position fired a squib to push the bomb away from the rack. Would be interesting to know how or if they aimed them. Bill

Old Norton bomb sites? :)