cfisher Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I am having a dispute with the Army. There is a Organization here in ADA OK. called the Combat Infantry Badage Association I am sure they are good people. They are like Amvets and the American Legion they help other vets in need and help vets with disability forms . They are in many states. The problem I am having with them they put in the local news paper that the Combat Infantry Badge is the second highest medal are badge you can receive and the only thing that out ranks it is the Medal OF HONOR. I got in a dispute with a Retired Army full Col. I told him he was wrong. He got so mad he was ready to fight. I couldn't belive a full Col would think the CIB was the second highest a military person could receive. One of their reasons for beleaving this is that badge is worn above all other medals except the Medal of Honer. I told him that I wore my wings above my medals but they didn't carry any rank. I even looked up army reg about the CIB and there's nothing in it to back up their claim. Does any body have any info that will prove my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Both y'all are confusing apples and oranges. The CIB is a badge, not a medal and it is a pretty big badge to have at that. I dont know if there are any in the Army that are more important or not but it really is the dividing line between pencil pushers and real soldiers. The Medal of Honor is a Medal. Apples = badges and Oranges = medals! You would think some pinhead O6 would know the difference though. Dan Edited October 18, 2009 by Dan Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airnav Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Both y'all are confusing apples and oranges. The CIB is a badge, not a medal and it is a pretty big badge to have at that. I dont know if there are any in the Army that are more important or not but it really is the dividing line between pencil pushers and real soldiers. The Medal of Honor is a Medal. Apples = badges and Oranges = medals! You would think some pinhead O6 would know the difference though. Dan Yep! Badges are badge's.......period! In layman's terms they are to represent qualification. I don't agree with the criteria; however that is another subject. A medal is a medal, that not only accompanies a citation, but a set of orders. A medal also benefit's the recipient to promotional point's. I guess I could go on and on. You can't buy a full size medal at clothing sales, but "badges" are in abundance! Kurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaprad Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Whatever happened to the combat badge the Air Force was talking about? I remember them going nuts over introducing one a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNRGR80 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 The Combat INF badge (CIB) is not the 2nd highest award so to speak, its only given to you if you were in a combat MOS while being in a combat area over 30 days They came out with the Combat badge for the non combat MOS personnel to show they also spent time in a combat zone just a few years back, it has the bayonet on it but yes awards are awards and badges are badges, the EIB Expert Inf Badge is a set of task you have to done to earn it, some people have a CIB and still have to go for the EIB by the way my back ground is Airborne Infantry :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATOPS1 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Maybe it was/is just a misunderstanding... Originally the CIB was to be the highest "Badge" and NO others were to be developed that would "reduce the prestige" of the CIB.... Contact J.L. Rhodes at 332-8811 or Jack Jones at 310-6173 (One of these may be the Col you have the issue with) and ask for supporting documentation or .... If the Col still believes the "Combat Infantry Badge is the second highest medal are badge you can receive and the only thing that out ranks it is the Medal OF HONOR." you should contact the Combat Infantrymen’s Assn at the address below and see if they can ensure the correct understanding of the CIB is disseminated. Combat Infantrymen’s Assn, National Headquarters Asheville, NC 28801-2466 National Commander Jack R. Wagner PO Box 150702 Cape Coral, FL 33915-0702 Phone: 239-826-6062 [email protected] National Executive Officer Wayne Watts 1033 4th Ave SW Alabaster, AL 35007 Phone: 205-663-3161 [email protected] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F106A Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 This is the USAF version of the CIB. Apple and oranges however! This is a medal! The Combat Action Medal. The USAF will never create or issue a "badge" like the Army has. Read the "Wear criteria" paragraph near the end of the below link. We stand a higher chance of getting the original Flight Engineer wings back before the AF gives a badge for combat. http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=11444 Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWoods Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Didn't the AF have a Combat Crew Member Badge back in the 60's and 70's but it was only issued to SAC missle crewmembers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F106A Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) Didn't the AF have a Combat Crew Member Badge back in the 60's and 70's but it was only issued to SAC missle crewmembers? My current Chief told me once he wore it for a short time in the early 90's before they got rid of it. He's an FE like me. As I read the history of the Combat Crew badge, it was worn while eligible members were waiting to get their Combat Readiness Medal. That just sounds strange. Kind of like a learner's permit! Anyway, here is a link to a paper wrote back in 2006 before the USAF Combat Action Medal came out. It explains the Combat Readiness Medal. As a C-130 crewmember we get ours two years after we get our mission ready status. As far as I know, most aircrew members get it. This is a pretty good read and covers all of the services. http://www.au.af.mil/au/cepme/heritage/Documents/pdf/HISTORY%20OF%20COMBAT%20SERVICE%20INSIGNIAS.pdf Mark Edited October 25, 2009 by F106A Added pic of CC Badge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Didn't the AF have a Combat Crew Member Badge back in the 60's and 70's but it was only issued to SAC missle crewmembers? Bob, combat aircrew members (read that - all of us) were eligible to wear the combat crew badge as well as sac missile weenies. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfisher Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 I got in contact with the National Deputy Commander of the Combat Infantry Badge Asso. He didn't know the precedence of the CIB. HE did say he knew for a fact that 80% of the combat casualitees came from the results of earning the CIB.That's how we got the name the Queen of Battle. Artillery is suppose to be the King of Battle . Iguess because they kill more people than we do,( friend are foe ). That was all the Info I could get . I E mailed other officals in the national Assoc but could not get any answers.I guess i will conceder the case closed . I think each chapter makes up there on rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATOPS1 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Well I guess if all else fails you can always ask the other party why if it (CIB) is the HIGHEST award possible then ask why it can be revoked..... I’m not so sure you can strip away the awarding of the MEDAL OF HONOR....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F106A Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I've been out of the Army for to long. (Okay, that may be a good thing.) I believe what is confusing about the precedence is what GROUP of badges the CIB falls under. It is in Group 1. That means, the CIB is worn above all other badges -- badges, not medals! For a quick explanation, see this page... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badges_of_the_United_States_Army HTH, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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