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Were there any survivors on any of these crashes.

I arrived in Little Rock Air Force Base in 1972 from Clark. There was a C-130 crashed on the end of the runway. The accident investigation team determined it was called by a rudder fin stall. Does anybody remember that. I can't remember what a rudder fin stall was does anybody else.

That is good comment about travel pay i missed getting it for a few years. I didn't know they paid you for travel till another VET told me about it. I probley lost a few hundred dollars not knowing about it. I receive the same amount you do.

I use the VA and Tricare for life and i tell the tricare DR. and the VA DR. I use both .and there is no problem. I am well over 50% service connected disabled . PTSD being the larger. The VA has treated me very good . I just finisher a two week stress class and they are sending me and my wife together to a two week PTSD class. My wife is learning a lot that she didn't understand about PTSD. Ijust couldn't explain it to here.My wife looks foward to the classes. The last few days of the class there will be five are six couples in the class together. I get all of mydicine from the VA. Even if my tricare DR. says i need it. I get free glasses from the VA and take there paper work to Tinker AFB and get glasses from them. I need them bscause i loose them all the time and i need a spare pair. I strongley suggest ever one enrole in the VA. I own alot of guns and that has never been a problem.

I was stationed at Clark in the early 70s. I was on my way to Cam Ranh Bay with a crew that I was not my regular crew. One morning I went out to the flight line to do the pre-fight when I looked into the cargo compartment I seen something that I'd never seen before didn't even know it existed and didn't really know what it was. It didn't take me long to see that it was a bomb. I never heard of a C-130 dropping a bomb. In about 30 minutes the rest of the flight crew came out they informed me that I had been assigned to a bomb drop crew it was secret and I was never to say anything about it . And I never did. When I got back to Clark nobody ever talked about the mission. I never talked about it for years. I finally seen a C-130 bomb drop on the military Channel. That was a first time I knew then had been declassified. I liked the mission. It was a welcome change to the normal things we did on the shuttle. I still remember the airplane shaking and the large ball of fire. When the bomb exploded. A few days later, we flew and other bombing mission. On pre flight , I found the aux cavity drain leaking fuel. It wasn't just linking. It was coming out in a stream I put red x in the forms and all hell broke loose the ops officer came out he was a full Col. and we went nose to nose things got very heated he wanted me to change the write up but I wouldn't do it and nobody would sign the red cross off. They gave us another airplane we had the bomb put on it and completed the mission. The next day the ops officer told me I was vindicated and he was wrong. A few days later we were on another bombing mission we got ready to drop the bomb and the ramp opened but the door wouldn't the load master tried to get it open with a hand pump it still wouldn't open. The pilot told me to put on a parachute and a oxygen bottle and go back and help the load master I tied myself in with a tie-down strap sure didn't want to fall out. So I give it a try sure glad I remembered what the numbers meant on the control valve nob. When I tried the door came open . I am sure the load master wasn't doing anything wrong I guess I was just lucky. If there is any other people on this site that flew the the bombing missions i would sure like to here their comments.

I don't think in my twenty plus years in the Air Force I had hardley any contact with a First Sergent. All of my time was on the flight line are flying you sure didn"t see any of them on the flight line. For years i thought they were just NCOIC of the orderly and did barraks inspections. Don't get me worng I am sure they must of had an imporant job but i never needed any help from them nor got any any.

Mike I have a copy of special orders which is a hard crew list of all the hard crews at CCK in 1967. I checked the list and your name is on it with your crew. If you would like a copy send me your postal address and I will mail you a copy. My e-mail address is [email protected]. I would send it with my computer but I'm having problems with my computer and cannot send it that way.

I just got back from a American Legion meeting and a RET. Air force Major asked me if i knew about a c130 crew back in thr 60's that was trying to sneak a car in to the US from Germany and some how they found out customes knew about it so they dumped it in to the ocean before landing. Seems like i can rember somthing about that but i am not sure. Can any body rember any thing about this.

If you want to read a great story about a person that received the Medal of Honor and was the most Decorated person even more than Audie Muphy. He died last week his name was Robert Howard. Go to Google and type Robert Howard received the Medal of Honor. This is a must read story so please check it out.

I got in contact with the National Deputy Commander of the Combat Infantry Badge Asso. He didn't know the precedence of the CIB. HE did say he knew for a fact that 80% of the combat casualitees came from the results of earning the CIB.That's how we got the name the Queen of Battle. Artillery is suppose to be the King of Battle . Iguess because they kill more people than we do,( friend are foe ). That was all the Info I could get . I E mailed other officals in the national Assoc but could not get any answers.I guess i will conceder the case closed . I think each chapter makes up there on rules.

When I finished Flight Mechanic/FE school at Sewart in 1966 We were called Flight Mechanice's. Soon after finishing school I was sent to CCK arrived Dec27 1966. At that time they didn't have any seven leval test for C130 FE we all had 7 levals in maintance and we had to meet a board of high ranking FE and were ask a lot of questions about aircraft systems then we were awarded a 7 leval and we were called FE soon after that. I could be wrong about the exact date it has been a long time ago and my memory is not as good as it once was. Most people comming in to the FE career field were former crew cheif's are engine mechanics You had to have a background in aircraft Maintance back then. I came through Little Rock a few years back and stopped at the school SQ. Talked to the NCOIC of Flightengineer's he took me and my wife on a tour of the flight line and we stopped at a C130 and looked it over went in side got to set in the FE's seat first time in over 30 years. He said they were taking in people from many career fieid's to train as FE's.

Ken I was surpprised it took so long to get a replay from some body that rembered the hermon billy call sign because i knew there were many people assigned to CCk at the time it was being used. And I do rember the P moutain call sign. I was at CCK all of 1967.

I have been canmping for many years. I have towed air planes also When i got my 5th wheel camping trailer I thought backing it would be a piece of cake boy was I surprised.I had to back between two trees on my blind side the first time i had to back it. I thought i would never get it on the camping spot. I even had problems backing it straight back. My brother in law always went with me and he could back any thing so when we got to the camp ground i would and get out of my truck and he would put it on the spot like a pro. There came a time he couldn't go so i new i had to learn. It took me awile to learn What worked best for me Iwould pull my trailer about thirty feet past the camping spot check what was behind me. I had my wife stand by the passanger side an start backing very slow and told here all i wanted to here from her was what way did the back of the trailer need to go and STOP.Backing very slow and making smal corrections seem to be the key. I went camping a few weeks ago and had to back in on my blind side put the trailer in on the first try and never had ti pull foward to straten up. I hope this might help you.

I am having a dispute with the Army. There is a Organization here in ADA OK. called the Combat Infantry Badage Association I am sure they are good people. They are like Amvets and the American Legion they help other vets in need and help vets with disability forms . They are in many states. The problem I am having with them they put in the local news paper that the Combat Infantry Badge is the second highest medal are badge you can receive and the only thing that out ranks it is the Medal OF HONOR. I got in a dispute with a Retired Army full Col. I told him he was wrong. He got so mad he was ready to fight. I couldn't belive a full Col would think the CIB was the second highest a military person could receive. One of their reasons for beleaving this is that badge is worn above all other medals except the Medal of Honer. I told him that I wore my wings above my medals but they didn't carry any rank. I even looked up army reg about the CIB and there's nothing in it to back up their claim. Does any body have any info that will prove my point.

I was on the flightline doing a preflight when the plane landed . It was a strange site to see i saw the plane draging it's tail down the runway The life raft's in the wings were depoling. For a minet i could not belive what i was seeing. I guess that is what you would call a hard landing.

Don you are the seccond person that has told me about the fuel gages so youall must be right. I just can't belive i could forget somthing like that. I new i was having problems rembering things. The Doctor's said my ptsd would get worse the older i got but times i spent on C130 always seemed clear in my mind.

My first crew i flew the shuttle in Vietam with were two LT Col. One was the pilot the other Co pilot. I think they had been flying a desk for the last ten years. I was freash out of FE school. They got got my attention when we would make a short field take off in country when.. they put there hands on the throttles for take off there hands would begain to shake i didn't know if to be scared or not. Back to the fule gages running them back and pulling the C/B. I flew the A, B, D, and the E models and tought at the school house for three years and i don't rember any test button for the fuel gages. It has been 32 years sence i made my last flight but i don't rember any test button for the the fuel gages. are you sure you you are not talking about a earlyer model 130. I rember a lot i belive i could teach a class to day.But time and ptsd could haved messed with menory. .

Muff I never heard of runing the fuel gages down and pulling the C/B. How did you do that. If i ever knew i must have forgoten

I was in the 17th TAS for three years and this crash happenrd a few months after i left. Ihad flew in to Sparrevon many times as ever one in the 17th did. I found this old news paper clipping about the crash and thought some of the older 17th crews would like to read it. Elmendorf AFB Alaska (AP) It may be several months before the Air Force detemines why aC130 transport plane crashed killing all seven persons on bord. The plane was on a routine supply mission when it crashed and exploded Friday while on approach for landing at Sparrevhon air station a remote radar site in the Alaskan Air Defense Syatem about 160 miles west of Anchorage A seven member board from the Military Airlift Command at Scott AFB was on its way to the crash site over the weekend. Air Force crews removed aircraft wreckage and bodies of the victimes. Eyewitnesses said the aircraft expoled on impact with the ground just short of the 4000 foot gravel runway. Information officer at Elmendorf said pilots have described the field as one of the most difficult in Alaska . The victimes were identifed as the planes commander Capt Robert W. Raulston, 35,of Philadelphia ,Co pilot 1st Lt. Curtin M wells,26, ofTulsa Okla.,navigator, 1st LT Steven R Cannon,25 of Detroit,flight engineer Tech. Sgt Peter J. Staffan,33,of Mackinaw Mich. loadmaster Tech Sgt. James W. Gainey,40, of Pittsburgurgh Pa.Two passengers,Senior Master SgT Duanea Edquist,43 of Litchfield Park Ariz. And Capt. Arthur F Klein,32,of Nashville Tenn. The C130 and its crew were attached to the 17th Tactical Airlift Squadron at Elmendorf. This happened in late 1977 or early 1988 I could be a little of on the date but not much

When i did a preflight i grabed the door and shook the heck out of it both side ways and in and out. you would be surprised how doors many i found lose on the hinges. They would call out the people that worked on the doors. when they came out they never semmed very happy it would take them quiteawile to get them adjusted right or replace them.

I came through Jackson Hole a while back and couldn't rember the details of what caused the crash and if any of the crew surived. I'm sure some of you do.

Hermond billy was the call sign for the command post at cck 1967. When we were nam and had some specil problems we called them. There was alot of stattic and some times hard to hear them. I am 99%sure of this but i could be wrong.

Thought i would see how many old timers out ther that rembers this callsign. HERMON BILLY.

What is this new age C130 crews comming to. I had to start an engine with a small length of saftey wire in the middle of no where in Alaska I just did it didn't ask no body just did it. In Vietam we had a bypass plug we carried in our tool bag for the same purpose. If we needed to do a buddy start or a windmill taxie start we did.That was back in the 1960 & 70's. I hate to think that the crews we have now does not have the knowledge and the confidence to do the same thing.

Fread i was in the 17th TAS. in Alaska from 1974 to 1977. Idon't recall your name. We may have ben there at different times. I was the only Charles Fisher that was there 74 to 77. Some of the names i rember was Jhon Wright,JC Littleton, Chuck Lavoie, John Bricker,Walter Moddy,Salazer,Toy Owens,Jim Burson. After thirty years that is all i can rember. If you were the same time i was there was one person you couldn't forget. That would be the maint. line cheif can't rember his name but we called him the Cookie Monster i think he hated flightenginers if he could have he would ate two for breakfast ever morning. I had spent four years in the school SQ at Sewart and Little Rock and the OPS officer had me theaching classes to polits and enginers two or three times a week. I was also in SQ.standeval. Idid not understand your comments on the start up ck list.Please explain.