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I read recently about the last Herks leaving AK ANG and also the Herks are leaving the 328 AS at Niagara.

The 4 HC-130 from 211 RQS went to Patrick 60-2103,2104,93-2105, 2106

1 H from the 144AS went to 181AS at Carswell 89-1185

4H's from 328AS went to 357AS at Maxwell 89-1187,1188, 91-9141, 9142

Heard that the last 4 Niagara H's are going to 357 too, 91-9143, 9144,92-3021, 3022.

Supposedly all Maxwell H's are going to the Boneyard.

I have not heard anything about the remaining 144AS H's. Can anyone give us an update?

82-0057,0059,0060, 0061, 89-1182,1183,1184?

bob

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How can 1985 H's be going to the bone yard?  Hell those airplanes were built 4 years after I joined the Air Force and I started working on 1963 E's.  I AM NOT THAT DAMN OLD!

Yes you are. As I understand it all the H2's are going to the Boneyard, followed by the H1's.

Not only that to keep them from falling into the hands of unscrupulous civilian operators and to help Lockgreed sell J's they are not going into storage but all are going into the scrapping areas.

I bet the Boneyard could get a pretty good price for H models with less than 12000 hours on them.

Big waste of taxpayer money!

To make it more fun all the much higher time E's are in storage, most have new wings!!

Bob

 

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Hey Fritz, here's a novel idea... let's spend a ton of taxpayer money on them, get them shining like new pennies, equip them with the latest and greatest gee-gaws, then give them to whatever flavor of the month nation we're trying to convince that we're nice guys. They can then either crash them within a short period of time due to lack of training and/or flying abilities, or else they'll be grounded due to unskilled mechanics and/or lack of parts and rot away on the ramp.

Either way they're going to be scrap, so you just might as well turn them into beer cans and be done with it.  

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There are 85s and 86s in the boneyard. It's odd, but you have to keep in mind that wing equivilant life, hours and mods is what they're looking at. Actual age has almost nothing to do with it. It's only a factor when tied to the other numbers. 

If an airplane is 20 years old, was treated like a rental, has no LAIRCM, 5,000 hours but somehow 32,000 equivilant hours, see ya!

An airplane is 30 years old was only flown to church on Sundays by a little old lady, has LAIRCM, 10,000 hours but 16,000 equivilant hours, it will be around longer. 

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I understand some of the logic of which herks go to the Boneyard, what I don't understand is why scrap these H's as soon as they arrive at DM.

There are plenty of countries and some civilian companies,(firefighter etc) still flying A's, B's E's who would like to fly them, even if they had to rewing them.

Since there are only 6 active duty trash haul squadrons left, (all in J's) and the H's are in the Guard and Reserve. 7 soon to be 5 in the Reserve and 17 soon to be 15 in the Guard down from from almost 6o Guard and Reserve Squadrons at one time, I wonder what the end numbers are supposed to look like for the Guard and Reserve?

Bob

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Fact: the USAF is being down-sized; again. In a perfect world of fiscal responsibility, efficiency and economy of operations, low-time, still fully functional aircraft could be turned over to a civilian operator and flown as CRAF-style assets to augment the short-fall that will occur after all cuts have been made and the dust settles. And there most definitely will be short-falls.

Missions could include firefighting, non-tactical logistics (similar to the old LOGAIR, QUICKTRANS), airdrop test support to DoD test ranges, air refueling training support, natural disaster response, border security logistics, the list is endless.

And yes, a program like this would also provide employment and generate income for the local and national economy.

But it's not going to happen because aircraft OEMs, the lobbyists and the lawyers won't allow it to happen. The reason these aircraft will be scrapped quickly is to prevent the implementation of any concept similar to the one described above.   

 

   

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Hopefully we will re build our Airforce and re gain the ability to Move more than one fighting unit to more than one theatre in the world... WE used to be able to move the entire 82nd to one location and move the 101st to another at the same time. Now it is one or the other. The world we live in today could call for movements both east and west...I hope we get back to that ability.

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I tried to make up a list of past and present active duty herk trash haul squadrons.

I am sure there are a lot of corrections so please let me know.

What I came up with was 6 squadrons and a training squadron now. 32 closed squadrons.

Any inputs?

Bob

I think the most there were at anyone time was about 1971 when I counted 28 Sqdns

 

All Time Sqs.xlsx

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Bob;

Wow! Those are staggering numbers. I know that management continuously beats the drum and chants the mantra that we must "do more with less" but at some point it's all going off the rails. This continuous process of purging, then gorging is dangerous and part of the reason that the national budget is trillions of dollars in debt.

Politicians and the military leadership need to determine just how big and bad they want the USA to be, confirm that the public concurs, then build a military capability around the goal in terms of type and amount of equipment, plus people to operate and maintain it. The current endless quest to chase, obtain and engage the latest technology, with no regard for cost is insanity.         

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During the time there were 32 active duty squadrons that Bob posted above, TAC was sending about 85 aircraft a year to PDM.  The PDM cycle was 36 months and flow time was 90 days not including over and above work such as  sloping longeron replacement . 

I read some time back that today, 85% of tactical airlift is possessed by the Reserve Forces.

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Eisenhowers farewell address is as relevant today as when he gave it.  The speech was "a solemn moment in a decidedly unsolemn time", warning a nation "giddy with prosperity, infatuated with youth and glamour, and aiming increasingly for the easy life."

"As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

"But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

 

Without putting too fine a point on it, Eisenhower was telling us it was up to us as citizens to stay involved in the governmental process.  How many of us attend our local caucuses to ensure our direct involvement in the political process.  Your political allegiance matters not, being involved in the democratic process is the key to our survival as a nation.  Without it, we might just as well hand the whole thing to our enemies, domestic as well as foreign.

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Today's AMARG list shows 85-0036, 0039, 0041 and 89-9101 went to AMARG from Maxwell. 9101 is the first AMP bird to AMARG. I thought they had to keep them flying?

Also USCG 1719 arrived. It just had a PDM at Robins and is going to the USFS. Maybe at AMARG for mods.

Bob

 

 

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On 3/10/2017 at 0:08 PM, bobdaley said:

I tried to make up a list of past and present active duty herk trash haul squadrons.

I am sure there are a lot of corrections so please let me know.

What I came up with was 6 squadrons and a training squadron now. 32 closed squadrons.

Any inputs?

Bob

I think the most there were at anyone time was about 1971 when I counted 28 Sqdns

 

All Time Sqs.xlsx

Hey Bob, It is McGuire, not McQuire. My first duty station!!

Sonny

 

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