130eng Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Anybody have an idea of when we'll start flying all e models to the Boneyard? are the 73 Models (super E) gonna be around for a while? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lkuest Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 They aren't all going at the same time. One month, we send one or two, then the next a couple more, and so on. At the 62nd, the last one flies out in September. I can't speak for the other "E" units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdaley Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) I have not heard of the 73's going to AMARG. Last count I had there were 45 (now 42) USAF E's out there AMC at Little Rock 14 Now 13 AETC at Little Rock 12 Now 10 MC130E AFR at Duke 10 ANG San Juan 6 AFSOC Hacks Hurlburt 3 Bob Edit 62-1835, 63-7796, 63-7829 now at DM Edited August 7, 2011 by bobdaley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflimbach Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 73s? We're still flying a '54, 56', and '57 model. www.internationalairresponse.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty FE Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I believe there are only three 1973 H Models that are flying as USAF slicks. 1582,1597,1598. They were at Dyess several years ago, I guess they are still there. The rest of the USAF's 73s are EC-130H. Hopefully if they keep them, they'll put APUs and big flt deck packs on them during the AMP mod.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalbasher Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I believe there are only three 1973 H Models that are flying as USAF slicks. 1582,1597,1598. They were at Dyess several years ago, I guess they are still there. The rest of the USAF's 73s are EC-130H. Hopefully if they keep them, they'll put APUs and big flt deck packs on them during the AMP mod. Those are the "super E's". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty FE Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 That brings up a question; What do you call an E-model with -15 engines on it? Do the 73s have that nickname exclusively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaprad Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 The 73's are the original "H" models, that's why the 74's are called "H1's". I was confused about that myself till I got 1582 and did some research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1300 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 When we first got them, we called 'em "Bionic E's" in honor of the Bionic Man. When Dyess got the aircart with the 70-pound packs and the APU, we knew that we were the inferior breed. I never knew that the '74s were called H1s until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The 73's are the original "H" models, . Paul, I hate to pick a nit here, but the original H-model was 64-14853 (4037). Yeah, I know you're talking slicks, just had to add my 2¢ Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaprad Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Paul, I hate to pick a nit here, but the original H-model was 64-14853 (4037). Yeah, I know you're talking slicks, just had to add my 2¢ Don R. Was that a testbed for the H's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdaley Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 It was a JHC-130H a test bed for the first USAF HC's, i think Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackjack Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 62-1791 (EC-130E) bought by the Navy for load training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMcGowan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 They aren't all going at the same time. One month, we send one or two, then the next a couple more, and so on. At the 62nd, the last one flies out in September. I can't speak for the other "E" units. Probably, they're sending the ones to the boneyard (and to museums) not that were built ten years earlier and had a lot more flying time. They also got the shit beat out of them in SEA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamMcGowan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Was that a testbed for the H's? This whole H, Super H, etc. gets very confusing since those terms are of fairly recent origin. The original C-130H came out in the mid-60s but the Air Force didn't buy any for airlift. They did buy them as HC-130Hs. Large numbers of them were sold overseas. Later on, in the early sevenites, USAF started buying a later version of the H that had some additional improvements such as a GTC that could be started in flight (GTC stands for gas turbine compressor which includes ALL turbine engines) and Lockheed started calling it an APU since that was the term they were using on the C-141 and C-5. The only thing different between the E and the original H models were the engines (the only major difference between a B and an E is the pylon tanks.) Not certain, but I suspect the reason USAF didn't want to buy the original Hs was because it had already contracted for E models at a lower price. The ARRS airplanes were equipped with the Fulton Recovery System as well, but when TAC contracted for the C-130E-Is, they stuck with E-models for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Later on, in the early sevenites, USAF started buying a later version of the H that had some additional improvements such as a GTC that could be started in flight (GTC stands for gas turbine compressor which includes ALL turbine engines) and Lockheed started calling it an APU since that was the term they were using on the C-141 and C-5. Sam, The original trash-hauling H-models were the FY 1973 models ("Super E's") with what we know as the GTC. Starting in 1974, they were fitted with the APU, which could be operated in flight, although the FAA never certified it to be used in flight on the commercial Hercs. Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTII Raven Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Well, one to the AF museum http://projects.springfieldnewssun.com/cache/galleries/News/Local/081811airforcec130/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEFEGeorge Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Sam, The original trash-hauling H-models were the FY 1973 models ("Super E's") with what we know as the GTC. Starting in 1974, they were fitted with the APU, which could be operated in flight, although the FAA never certified it to be used in flight on the commercial Hercs. Don R. Sometimes those 73 H's were a pain in the ass when you had ham-fisted students doing T&Gs in winter and pushed the throttles forward so fast that the 900 call was like an afterthought. Pissed maintenance off a time or two by writing up the engines for over-torque. Not sure but I would imagine that 23K was a little high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donwon Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I may be thinking about an entirely different thing, but! The "A's" had a GTC which ran an APU to power the plane on the ground but the APU could be ran by bleed air from any engine in flight, or on the ground. After the FWd. cargo door was sealed closed it was almost impossable for a CC to open the GTC doors in flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre623 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) HA HA HA Donwon what are you sippin on son...that post of yours cracked me up....still laughing !!! Fer some reason I never was able to open the GTC doors inflight either Ha Ha. Didn't have a long enough screwdriver I guess. Did you mean ATM instead of APU. Can you post a pic of yourself on your bio page when you were at Sewart...I can't place you but we had to have worked together in Delta flight for MSgt Wysocki. And Sam, there was a huge difference between the GTC and APU on the Herk. Apu had a 40KVA direct drive gen same as on the engines, where the GTC used an ATM driving a smaller amp gen. The APU was flight operable, the burner can was different i.e. the bulge on the w/w panel. Oil tank was on the APU where the GTC oil tank was in the cargo compartment, starters turned in opposite directions.....just saying. Bill Edited August 22, 2011 by Spectre623 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donwon Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I didn't know they had Automatic Teller Machines back then Bill. Guess thats where I messed up. I will try and find a picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donwon Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Bill If this works I am the white guy on the right side of the TI Sgt. I don't know any of the others and I don't reconize any names other than mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectre623 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Good pic Don, I do seem to remember your face. If you were Msgt Hayes asst. I know we worked together at some time or other. Oh and the ATM I was speaking of stood for Air Turbine Motor....but I think you really knew that anyway ha ha. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC10FE Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 . Oil tank was on the APU where the GTC oil tank was in the cargo compartment, starters turned in opposite directions.....just saying. Bill I always thought that was backwards -- you could service the oil tank on the GTC in flight, but couldn't run it, where as, on the APU, you could run it in flight but had no access to the oil tank. WTF? Don R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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