SEFEGeorge

Since I don't have my charts anymore I'll partly agree. Without the tanks installed you'll get better efficiency because of the -18 drag index. But that being said you'll loose flying time/distance without the fuel in the externals. Would like to run the numbers for no tanks/-18 index/max wing fuel (45K) against with tanks/0 index/max fuel (63K) using all the same variables - PA, temp, operating weight, step climbs, etc. As a WAG I figured that the extra 18K of ext fuel gave us an extra 4 hours or so extra flying time but it seems like you're saying it wasn't an extra 4 hours. Been too may years for me to remember everything. Maybe someone with a set of charts can run the numbers for an exercise. Flying 10 hr overwaters out of LRF without the tanks would have been a challenge. Having flown weather recon missions out of Hickam with the TG in a B model, and then reconning 3 different recovery sites due to weather proved to provide some pucker factor fuel wise.

Casey, looks very nice. Framed mine, but not to the extent Don did, which looks excellent.

Good ole Bous. Fixed a lot of them at CRB. Just hated working on the aug tubes though.

Worked depot maintenance on B-52s and C-5s when I was on the CLSS RAM team at Kelly, 71-72. Almost all were civilian workers except for us RAM team guys who got assigned to work in various areas.

Don, long time for me as well but I seem to recall the same thing about the ice detection and the condition lever.

Don't ever recall hearing if King 56 tried to decouple to get a generator back.

From my memory that would make sense of B's, E's, and early H's (73 H's and HC-H/P/N's) since they don't have an APU. Without some electrical power I don't see any way to get the engines restarted even is they are windmilling fast.

Pic 5298c does show it with refueling pods.

I had a Colonel as DO in the 616th MAG. He flew B-52s for a time and many other aircraft. He loved flying the Herk and a damn good stick. He yanked and banked the Herk all over the Nevada dessert during Red Flag. I swear I heard him chuckling to himself. Zooming along at 250 ft AGL and I'd mention to him we were below 300 ft. All he said was unless I go any lower don't worry. Zooming along at 300 knots, "gotta keep the energy up." That was a blast. Some may know him, Col. Baxter F. Snider.

If I remember correctly from my 431X1A years (that's recips) the 9-levels didn't have a shred-out.

When I first went to Little Rock in the late '70s we had "all" the 73 H models. Not sure how many there were but there were more than 3. From what I've seen many of them became EC-130H's. They were just E models with -15 engines (H's), but were listed as H models. Sure could have used the upgraded flight deck AC on the summer low levels! I believe all the '74 H's went to Dyess (H-1s). The '65 HC-H's we flew at Hickam were E models with -15s and the HC equipment - ADS, etc. Not sure what all encompasses the H-2's and on.

Dan, don't have any web sites but you might try the AMA. They might have an area to check that sort of thing. While doing some research once I came across this web site for Oregon, http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/malpractice/search/. There might be other sites like this. Searching for "malpractice" might help.

LOL. Thx chief.

Based on that figure Giz, and estimating 79K OW + 63K fuel, I think that put us near 175K GW or slightly over. But what the hell did I know, I was a newbie FE with 5 months flight experience after Phase II qual and 1 ROTE to Moldyhole. If we'd losr an engine after take-off we would have been just smoking hole in the ground somewhere in San Antonio.

Not sure how much it weighted but once carried 2 full fuel bladders from San Antonio to Tapachula, Mexico. Not the elephant balls but the large flat kind. Took up the entire cargo compartment. E model, basic crew, 2 fuel specialists, and max aircraft fuel. Support for the Guatemala earthquake relief in Feb '76. Anyone know what the weight of those bladders were?

Remember those. Used it some, mostly on overwaters. But for the life of me I can't remember why? Seem to remember was line up 2 numbers and get results over arrow head. But damn not even sure about that now.

Can't reply on that. Article said it was lost in 1971. I didn't get to the TG until '77. But the TG operated from '58-'86 so who knows. Since the article stated that the CIA only just released this info, it could have happened but kept top secret.

I'm thinking that this article/pics are about the capsules the 6594 TG were catching, or at least the recovery of one from the bottom of the ocean. It's from cnet.com. http://news.cnet.com/2300-11386_3-10013321-1.html

Seem to recall when I 1st got to LR in '75 we had AWADS birds there. Recall having to check a valve under the stairs on preflight. Seems that all the AWADS birds were transferred to Pope not long after that.

During Red Flag in Oct '83 this was discussed during one of those meetings/briefings. Thought it would a good idea to outfit a few Hercs to fly in formation with the troop/cargo droppers or going across the big pond. Act like they're just one of the guys, and then vroosh. Cancel 1 target or 2.

Middle seat....

Yeah go figure huh? ROFLMAO. Crash at EDF and now this that was almost deadly. Yep, flying without an FE and NAV makes a lot of sense. Either one would have been screaming so loud you wouldn't need an interphone connection.

Navy/Marines had F models, not sure about Air Force. Not sure about "structure". Would guess the same as a regular B.

Probably more like it.

An A model with 3 bladed props? Just kidding. Weird.....