Coaster Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Someone at work mentioned some kind of Airforce wartime manual. Basicly what things you can do to get the plane going when your getting shot at. An example would be plugging bullet holes in the plane with sharpened bamboo sticks to allow pressurization. Does anyone know this manual I speek of? Also a J model specific book would be awesome. If anyone has a copy of either an H or J book id love to read through it. TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrkaegi Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 On the 130A we would install SKY HOOKS to keep the aircraft airborne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donwon Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Never tow a C-130 that is on fire. The man rideing breaks might be overcome by smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted September 26, 2009 Author Share Posted September 26, 2009 Ok well thanks for the great replys. I didnt know i asked a stupid question to get these stupid answers. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaprad Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 In the desert we never used bamboo, we used coke cans and duct tape Not really a stupid question, most of the stuff is in different books, there isn't one "Wartime Manual" that I know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 In SEA, wasn't that covered under plausible deniability? I recall doing/receiving buddy starts; a three engine take off and a windmill engine start... I remember leaving Form F's under a rock (all of mine must have blown away...). The only war ops plan that I remember seeing in writing was the EWP max gross take off wt of 175,000 lbs (E); but, going above 155,000 lbs would have to be authorized by someone up the chain of command... I'm pretty sure that there were missions that took off above max gross take off weight on the A, B & E and probably was a contributing cause of some them to crash on take off (one might have been the B model that crashed on takeoff out of Kamh Duc in early May '68) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted September 27, 2009 Author Share Posted September 27, 2009 ok if thats not ringing any bells how about a kit that included jumpers for doing certain tasks? Guess Ill just have to wait until monday and ask that guy what pub he was talking about. He said it was a very large book about doing certain things to the plane that were only allowed if the shit was hitting the fan. damn i wish someone knew this pub itll be interesting reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Herk Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Probably the Hostile Environment Repair Procedures manual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L382fe Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Used to be a portion of FE systems refresher that covered HERP or hostile environment repair procedures. This included capping brakes, jumpering ignition relays, and several other things. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1300 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Perhaps reviewing this PDF file will help you find what you are looking for: http://www.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/AFI11-2HC-130V3_920RQWSUP1.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INS/Dopplertroop Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 AMC C-5's had both an MEL Minimum Equipment Listing and a Battlefield Repair Manual. I remember assisting in updating both for avionics at different times over the years. The MEL was a Major Command document as I recall and the Repair Manual was a Tech order but I don't recall the number right this moment. I imagine C-130's should have something similar. Tiny Clark should know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in WV Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 (edited) coaster, the USAF manual (used to be MACR 55-130) had a section in the FE chapter on how to do some of the emergency repairs and had the instructions on how to use the speed sensitive control jumper (BS plug). It wasn't bamboo used to plug holes. It was different sizes of wood dowel rod sharpened on one end and threaded to screw into wing tank holes to plug them . Scab patches were placed over fuselage holes and fuel cell sealant was used for a pressure seal and then rivited in place. Edited September 27, 2009 by Dave in WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Millen Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 (edited) Now just where in hell are you going to find bamboo in the desert? way back when a long time ago most of the stuff that would have been in that big black book was info that was carried in our heads and passed on from the day we entered FE school at Sewart. And then picked up from fellow crew and maint folks. Like tieing a string to the ingnition sw in the engine compt and then closing up the cowling. Once the engine started pull the string and cut off the ingition. Then there was the time I was at Song Be with a bladder bird. While they were defueling the bladder I was out by the right wing tip having a smoke....I noticed fluid pouring in a stream from the bottom of #4 fuel tank. We had a big hole in the lower skin. I got the ladder out, a rag and broke the broom stick off. The Loadmaster and I wrapped the stick with the rag and with me holding the Load banged the stick into the hole. After we finished the bladder fuel off load we flew back to TSN. The next day maintenance showed me the 50cal round that they found in #4 fuel tank. The trash can and a blanket could be used to plug a blown out port hole window. As for the small bullet holes and shrapnel holes were never a concern. We ignored them and wrote them up in the 781. Also back in those days we had to have full system knowledge and we FEs also carried a tool bag full of tools. Also had a full supply of C-Rats in our flight bags, way before MREs were born. Muff Edited September 27, 2009 by Muff Millen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INS/Dopplertroop Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 (edited) How about ABDR Aircraft Battle Damage Repair. C-5's had a -39 Tech Order. Robins CLSS unit are the pros on aircraft recovery. C-130.........T.O. 1C-130A-39 ABDR Edited September 27, 2009 by INS/Dopplertroop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 How about ABDR Aircraft Battle Damage Repair. C-5's had a -39 Tech Order. Robins CLSS unit are the pros on aircraft recovery. C-130.........T.O. 1C-130A-39 ABDR ABDR is a whole other thing, thats basically large scale repair (or total destruction sometimes). I think he is looking for HERP, basically its an aircrew thang that tells you what you can boogie with and what you have to do to overide and or temp repair different malfunctions so you can blast off and get the hell out of dodge or hack the mission. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airnav Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Someone at work mentioned some kind of Airforce wartime manual. Basicly what things you can do to get the plane going when your getting shot at. An example would be plugging bullet holes in the plane with sharpened bamboo sticks to allow pressurization. Does anyone know this manual I speek of? Also a J model specific book would be awesome. If anyone has a copy of either an H or J book id love to read through it. TIA What? Am I getting this right? A "J model specific" as to what to maintain after a J gets shot? Son.........I don't think a J model will ever has such a publication! Think about it. Kurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 What? Am I getting this right? A "J model specific" as to what to maintain after a J gets shot? Son.........I don't think a J model will ever has such a publication! Think about it. Kurt does the J not go to the desert? Or get shot at? Did they add the ballistic shield around Airforce J's? We didnt get that with our contract. Damn Airforce and their money. So either your being funny or you know something I dont. Either is a possiblitly. Dan Willson I think your right, I will look for the HERP at work and see if we have an old copy from an H. Thanks for everyones help. Even your airnav :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dan Willson I think your right, I will look for the HERP at work and see if we have an old copy from an H. I am not too sure how much usable will come from an E or H model pub, all the engine stuff would defiantly would be out of the water, but I have no idea how much electrical, fuel and hydraulic changes the J have from the older planes. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec13fe Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Dan, From what I can tell the only thing a "J" has in common with the older birds is the basic shape of the fuselage and maybe it has a whiskey compass. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 Well Im not really looking to get tons of info for the J from the E or H pub but i think itll still be kinda cool to read. If they made one for the E and H im sure they made one for the J unless airnav was right and they wouldnt need one for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Allen Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Mr. Muff Millen hit it on the head, when I was a c/c in 65-67 we all had a little blk. book we used and shared info. freely we improvised and kept them flying, with the use of broom handles duct tape and inginuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 he did bring up a good point. probably a great thread too "I remember when I had to ____ to get _____ working again" or "RON(remain over night) switches". But theres only so much you can get passed down from the guys you work with. So maybe we can start a thread from past "inginuity fixes". To pass to the few FNGs in the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1300 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 he did bring up a good point. probably a great thread too "I remember when I had to ____ to get _____ working again" or "RON(remain over night) switches". But theres only so much you can get passed down from the guys you work with. So maybe we can start a thread from past "inginuity fixes". To pass to the few FNGs in the community. Perhaps we should have a thread that says "Despite what I was told, when the ________ does ___________, it is not necessarily a bad ______________________." The old adage that says "when an engine gets older, it does not produce more torque," does not always mean that you have bad thermocouples. I still heat that from engineers, and it is a pain to explain why it is not always true. A collection of similar items from the old guys here would be nice information for a "little black book." Between electrics, hydraulic, props, engines, and air conditioning. there should be a bunch of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coaster Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 yeah lets get the knowledge going. first we need to pick a tittle then well get the ol time stories going. pass some info along. you aint gonna use it when your pushing daisys.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronc Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Quick question and I will admit I don't know that much about J model training but, who performs the HERP? (Hostile Enviromental Repair Procedures)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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