KingChief Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 We currently have Acft 62-1863 sitting on our line and we are currently trying to install armor on her. does anyone know what the closest aircraft the flightdeck is configured for, or have any pictures of this armor installed? I know this is one of the frankenherks that AFSOC rejected we could really use your help. we also have strange hydro lines and drains in the nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChief Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 or anyone know if the ABCCC were actually armored? this thing has been a royal pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieLifeSupport Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I remember going to a MAC Life Support conference in the early 80's Some of the other ANG LS were concerned about armor on the flightdeck. The only idea they had was flak vests under the seat cushions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChief Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 we can fully configure all of our aircraft except this plane we are lost looking for diagrams of armor for the ABCCC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieLifeSupport Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Maybe Dan Wilson knows. He knows everything!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWoods Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I don't remember any armor on ABCCC birds during the 67-68 timeframe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bischoffm Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I don't remember any armor on ABCCC birds during the 67-68 timeframe. If they did it would probably have been the heavy stuff they put in the Gunships (ceramic plates no vlecro!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenFE Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I don't think 62-1863 or any of the ABCCC birds had armor installed. I put several thousand hours on those planes and never flew with armor. I'll check with some other ABCCC guys and see what they come up with. As for the odd stuff in the nose - probably some mod gone bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I've been in contact with the -21 folks. They have some of the pieces that they can order. It was built to the same specs as an MC-130P, and we have the IPB for that armor. The problem in the nose with the hydraulic tubing is not fixable. That's the way the tubing was for '62 & older models, except for the last 10 62's. The capped connector can be removed and tied up behind the panel, using a blank plate to cover it. It isn't used, but the only way to know what it used to be for is to get a wire number or two so it can be identified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChief Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 Hey Tiny! this is the -21 guys! hahaha I go everywhere for answers. I love this site. helped me out several times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Wilson Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Once upon a time the ABCCC were configured for armor, but I dont know when the last time it was installed. I got to the 7th ACCS in 85 and talking with the old farts, it had been quite a while since it had been put on, I am not even sure if they still had it to install or not by that point. Many and most Herk units (by the mid 80's) no longer even bothered to keep the armor plating and had actually turned it all into DRMO. I had never flown with it installed until I got to AFSOC in 93, man that stuff would beat the snot out of you, especially all the seat armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APG85 Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 I was in the 7th ACCS at Keesler and the 42nd ACCS at DM. I believe the armor was removed in the late 70's/early 80's (the unit got to Keesler in 1975). Either way, the "old school" armor wouldn't do you much good as it mounted with metal brackets, screws and bolts...nothing "high-speed". As far as the hydraulic lines: not sure what you mean. 1863 is pretty standard as E-models go. Drain lines? There are some on the forward fuselage on each side (exterior) about cargo floor level that drained condensation from the ECS system for the capsule. Everything else was probably demoded. Hang in there...J-Models are on the way... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 I was in the 7th ACCS at Keesler and the 42nd ACCS at DM. I believe the armor was removed in the late 70's/early 80's (the unit got to Keesler in 1975). Either way, the "old school" armor wouldn't do you much good as it mounted with metal brackets, screws and bolts...nothing "high-speed". As far as the hydraulic lines: not sure what you mean. 1863 is pretty standard as E-models go. Drain lines? There are some on the forward fuselage on each side (exterior) about cargo floor level that drained condensation from the ECS system for the capsule. Everything else was probably demoded. Hang in there...J-Models are on the way... :-) The three hydraulic lines going to the NLG uplock are hardlines routed from aft to fore into the cylinder. I will post pics tomorrow of the lines, which we can't do anything about. But, maybe someone can shed the light on the connector. I think it is for maintenance use, just not sure what system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChief Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 we thought J models would be here soon...instead we are putting dual rails on our P models and we are getting our loaner birds back from other bases when they get J's for us its looking like 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Won't make much difference to me, I'll be done with it in 2 weeks. Here are the pics of the NLG uplock and the mysterious connector above the gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChief Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 We are actually at the point because there is believe it or not no armor available AF wide besides the ones Tiny found that are available we had to build the flt deck outline on our shopfloor and hand build armor with the assistance from the armor company. still want to know what the lines are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdaley Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Why would you put armor in an ABCCC or a Rescue HC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Our HCs deploy, Bob. Frankentanker was the ABCCC converted to an HC-130P, well, it's more of an MC-130P as far as the cockpit layout, but is still designated an HC. Oh, and it was a 62, converted to mostly a '64. We get confused every time we go out an work on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 still want to know what the lines are for. Duuuude, the lines are for the uplock. Newer models are Greek style, and come in from the rear. I want to know what the connector is for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChief Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 All I know is that when all this research and modifying is going on we are all scratching our heads saying "why would you do this".:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wpauwells Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 I'm suprised that boomerang still flies, not to long ago we were towing it every 30 days in a circle so the tires would not flat spot and running engines on it as well. The most air time it has seen was on full jacks in the wash rack. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n1dp Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Tester Power Outlet? Possibly for the -59 RADAR R/T? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyclark Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 (edited) For Money, Kingchief. It isn't APN59 stuff, if it was, I would know. There's usually a test equip receptacle right next to the -59 R/T unit. The connector has two large pins and 5 smaller ones, almost like it provides power to something. That's just a guess. Edited December 16, 2010 by tinyclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingChief Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 So....got the ordered parts of armor in, and imagine this they dont fit! still more additions in the flight deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaprad Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 I've seen that connector on several other aircraft. No idea what it is and I can't remember what planes I saw it on, but I think they were Shadows or Talon 1's. Don't hold me to that, my memory is about as useful as an unloaded gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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